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I'm not skilled enough to do it myself, but I can't wait for the AR apps to help with physical skills, especially things like art. I do ceramics on the wheel,

I'm not skilled enough to do it myself, but I can't wait for the AR apps to help with physical skills, especially things like art. I do ceramics on the wheel, and having an app that can show me techniques, highlight areas that are thin or weak, critique my technique in real time, and so on, would be something I would definitely pay for. Same with painting. I can't wait to see the AR apps!

dylan604 3y ago
Do you have to tell it the style? Like if you're trying to do a portrait, but it's in Picasso mode vs Michelangelo mode, does your portrait have a funky face
- jedberg 3y ago
  Lol that would be an awesome feature!
astrange 3y ago
Both of those things seem like they have a chance of splattering on the cameras.
- jedberg 3y ago
  I'm sure there will be a thriving ecosystem of protective accessories.
  - astrange 3y ago
    Eh, I just mean it's hard to do AR if you're getting paint on the AR camera. I guess you could just keep swapping protective covers. Although it might not matter - even cracks on a camera lens affect the picture less than you'd think, because they're out of focus.
    - jedberg 3y ago
      Or just wipe it off.
      - notbeuller 3y ago
        I saw a video of some sort of motocross meet (not familiar with it) and apparently the visors become completely covered with mud, so riders start the race with several clear plastic strips on the visor and they tear one layer off off as needed. (A comment was made that motocross meets are littered with the debris). Probably wouldn’t need to be so dramatic here. As an alternative - would a headset lite version without the AR work better here? Display needed information on a nearby tablet or large tv while the user wears a headband only.
        SirSourdough 3y ago
        This is also done in auto racing, particularly endurance racing where you might pick up 4+ hours of bugs and debris on the windshield over a driver stint. The windshield has a stack of huge stickers on it that get torn away by the pit crew during stops. Apparently you can get stacks up to about 20 layers. Seems like a reasonable possibility for messy AR applications.
        taeric 3y ago
        Of course, you have the "pit crew" do this for a reason. Whatever is getting those dirty is likely getting the driver/operator dirty, as well...
      - astrange 3y ago
        I assume some of the things you'd want to wipe off need cleaning agents that would also remove the anti-fingerprint coating. Which I'm assuming exists.
- prawn 3y ago
  I watched a video compilation of VR headset mishaps (running into walls, hitting things, etc) and I think that most Vision Pro users will be a lot more reserved in their use. Apple's promotional collateral showed fairly static use cases: couch, standing near a desk, etc. I'm keen on trying it or getting one, but I have zero interest in using it while cooking or similar.
chasd00 3y ago
cooking too, it would be really neat if you can incorporate other sensors. like a little avatar telling you the pan is too hot/cold. I can def. see things like a floating recipe while you do messy prep so you don't have to wash/dry your phone to scroll to the next step.
- eastbound 3y ago
  Piloting planes! A Cessna usually is 50+ years old (since regulations apply for newer planes), instruments are awfully analog, and a good share of crashes happens by fly-into-IFR. Get a helmet: You’ll still get the analog instruments + warnings if they go outside range + 3D navigation map + horizon + a circle around far-away planes that might fly towards you (TCAS) + weather map. All of these are today routine causes for accidents. All that in the $3500 helmet that you also use for work. Plus you can look at your feet and see the terrain. Could even put dinosaurs in there.
- thebricklayr 3y ago
  A temperature indicator is such a good idea. I’m going to add this to Umami.
- mjsweet 3y ago
  I was thinking that you could pin timers above each pot as well as other timers around the kitchen.
greggh 3y ago
Vermillion is the best app in this space I think. I get to paint with oil paints, and have nothing to clean up and no major expenses like buying more paint. And with a browser in place, I can watch painting tutorials while actually painting, and not worry that I dont own a specific brush or other tool. It's awesome. It's on Steam for anything that supports SteamVR or PCVR, and on the Quest store for Meta devices. https://vermillion-vr.com https://vermillion-vr.com
zmmmmm 3y ago
If you really can't wait, just go out and buy a Quest for 1/7th the price and start doing it today. It's a rounding error on what you will pay for Vision Pro and you can get an idea early of what it will be like. (I probably would recommend waiting for Quest 3 in a couple of months though ... it'll be so much more like the Vision Pro ...)
- jedberg 3y ago
  I already have two quests. But the AR is terrible. The external cameras suck.
  - zmmmmm 3y ago
    I assume neither of them was a Quest 3 though ...
- dagmx 3y ago
  Quest 2 and Quest Pro passthrough is terrible. The Quest 3 may be better but literally everything they asked for requires good passthrough. That 1/7th the price would be sunk money if they’re trying to evaluate real world interaction.
  - zmmmmm 3y ago
    yes ... but they "can't wait". If they want it that badly then such a tiny cost would be easily tolerable to get it earlier. Quest 3 pass through is awesome by all counts from the people who have tried it.
    - dagmx 3y ago
      Where are these impressions that you’re talking about? I haven’t seen anyone legitimate talk about using it.
      - zmmmmm 3y ago
        Lex Friedman is one who used it: https://youtu.be/7KCez6Ocxxg?t=40 https://youtu.be/7KCez6Ocxxg?t=40 So did Marc Gurman: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2023-05-28/meta-quest-3-real-life-hands-on-how-it-compares-to-apple-mixed-reality-headset-li7h3suy https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2023-05-28/meta-q... > video pass-through on the Quest 3 presented colors more accurately and offered an almost lifelike rendering of the real world. I was even able to use my phone while wearing the headset, something that often feels impossible on a Quest 2 It will certainly be fascinating to see how good it really is.

dylan604 3y ago

Do you have to tell it the style? Like if you're trying to do a portrait, but it's in Picasso mode vs Michelangelo mode, does your portrait have a funky face

jedberg 3y ago
Lol that would be an awesome feature!

astrange 3y ago

Both of those things seem like they have a chance of splattering on the cameras.

jedberg 3y ago
I'm sure there will be a thriving ecosystem of protective accessories.
- astrange 3y ago
  Eh, I just mean it's hard to do AR if you're getting paint on the AR camera. I guess you could just keep swapping protective covers. Although it might not matter - even cracks on a camera lens affect the picture less than you'd think, because they're out of focus.
  - jedberg 3y ago
    Or just wipe it off.
    - notbeuller 3y ago
      I saw a video of some sort of motocross meet (not familiar with it) and apparently the visors become completely covered with mud, so riders start the race with several clear plastic strips on the visor and they tear one layer off off as needed. (A comment was made that motocross meets are littered with the debris). Probably wouldn’t need to be so dramatic here. As an alternative - would a headset lite version without the AR work better here? Display needed information on a nearby tablet or large tv while the user wears a headband only.
      - SirSourdough 3y ago
        This is also done in auto racing, particularly endurance racing where you might pick up 4+ hours of bugs and debris on the windshield over a driver stint. The windshield has a stack of huge stickers on it that get torn away by the pit crew during stops. Apparently you can get stacks up to about 20 layers. Seems like a reasonable possibility for messy AR applications.
        taeric 3y ago
        Of course, you have the "pit crew" do this for a reason. Whatever is getting those dirty is likely getting the driver/operator dirty, as well...
    - astrange 3y ago
      I assume some of the things you'd want to wipe off need cleaning agents that would also remove the anti-fingerprint coating. Which I'm assuming exists.
prawn 3y ago
I watched a video compilation of VR headset mishaps (running into walls, hitting things, etc) and I think that most Vision Pro users will be a lot more reserved in their use. Apple's promotional collateral showed fairly static use cases: couch, standing near a desk, etc. I'm keen on trying it or getting one, but I have zero interest in using it while cooking or similar.

chasd00 3y ago

cooking too, it would be really neat if you can incorporate other sensors. like a little avatar telling you the pan is too hot/cold. I can def. see things like a floating recipe while you do messy prep so you don't have to wash/dry your phone to scroll to the next step.

eastbound 3y ago
Piloting planes! A Cessna usually is 50+ years old (since regulations apply for newer planes), instruments are awfully analog, and a good share of crashes happens by fly-into-IFR. Get a helmet: You’ll still get the analog instruments + warnings if they go outside range + 3D navigation map + horizon + a circle around far-away planes that might fly towards you (TCAS) + weather map. All of these are today routine causes for accidents. All that in the $3500 helmet that you also use for work. Plus you can look at your feet and see the terrain. Could even put dinosaurs in there.
thebricklayr 3y ago
A temperature indicator is such a good idea. I’m going to add this to Umami.
mjsweet 3y ago
I was thinking that you could pin timers above each pot as well as other timers around the kitchen.

greggh 3y ago

Vermillion is the best app in this space I think. I get to paint with oil paints, and have nothing to clean up and no major expenses like buying more paint. And with a browser in place, I can watch painting tutorials while actually painting, and not worry that I dont own a specific brush or other tool. It's awesome. It's on Steam for anything that supports SteamVR or PCVR, and on the Quest store for Meta devices. https://vermillion-vr.com https://vermillion-vr.com

zmmmmm 3y ago

If you really can't wait, just go out and buy a Quest for 1/7th the price and start doing it today. It's a rounding error on what you will pay for Vision Pro and you can get an idea early of what it will be like. (I probably would recommend waiting for Quest 3 in a couple of months though ... it'll be so much more like the Vision Pro ...)

jedberg 3y ago
I already have two quests. But the AR is terrible. The external cameras suck.
- zmmmmm 3y ago
  I assume neither of them was a Quest 3 though ...
dagmx 3y ago
Quest 2 and Quest Pro passthrough is terrible. The Quest 3 may be better but literally everything they asked for requires good passthrough. That 1/7th the price would be sunk money if they’re trying to evaluate real world interaction.
- zmmmmm 3y ago
  yes ... but they "can't wait". If they want it that badly then such a tiny cost would be easily tolerable to get it earlier. Quest 3 pass through is awesome by all counts from the people who have tried it.
  - dagmx 3y ago
    Where are these impressions that you’re talking about? I haven’t seen anyone legitimate talk about using it.
    - zmmmmm 3y ago
      Lex Friedman is one who used it: https://youtu.be/7KCez6Ocxxg?t=40 https://youtu.be/7KCez6Ocxxg?t=40 So did Marc Gurman: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2023-05-28/meta-quest-3-real-life-hands-on-how-it-compares-to-apple-mixed-reality-headset-li7h3suy https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2023-05-28/meta-q... > video pass-through on the Quest 3 presented colors more accurately and offered an almost lifelike rendering of the real world. I was even able to use my phone while wearing the headset, something that often feels impossible on a Quest 2 It will certainly be fascinating to see how good it really is.