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My instinct is that this entire product is basically a dev kit for whatever Apple wants to release in 10-15 years. Get something high quality in peoples’ hands

My instinct is that this entire product is basically a dev kit for whatever Apple wants to release in 10-15 years. Get something high quality in peoples’ hands and hope the use case bucket trickles full.

rvz 3y ago
Correct. This first version of the visionOS product line is not the one that will be the 'iPhone' moment. We are looking at the device that will be ready for these app in the next 5 - 10 years which by that time the device will be smaller that this first version. Probably going to be called 'Apple Vision' in the form of AR glasses.
- jacquesm 3y ago
  'Correct' as in: you have inside information that confirms this or 'I agree'?
  - dylan604 3y ago
    If someone had actual information of that type from Apple and released it on a public forum, they will be hearing from Apple's legal team in 5...4...3.... Otherwise, it just seems like a confirmation of their reading of the tea leaves.
    - rvz 3y ago
      I think both of you need to look at the amount of patents related to the Apple's AR glasses and their related vision products a lot more since it give lots of obvious clues about where Apple will take their Apple vision based products. All publicly available for everyone to see. [0] No inside information needed at all. [0] https://www.patentlyapple.com/face-object-recognition/ https://www.patentlyapple.com/face-object-recognition/
      - dylan604 3y ago
        right, you've read the tea leaves.
        rvz 3y ago
        The tea leaves, breadcrumbs and obvious clues that tell the truth as close as possible that defines the next phase of Apple's AR/XR products all to the source as public as possible. Correct either way.
- withinboredom 3y ago
  Hmmm... it's light and physics, not sure how it could get much smaller. Lighter, maybe. Thinner, maybe. But smaller, no. Not unless someone figures out the contact lens or the direct brain uplink.
- jsjohnst 3y ago
  > This first version of the visionOS product line is not the one that will be the 'iPhone' moment. You mean it’s not a device that’s significantly more expensive and less capable from a feature perspective than the competition at launch (aka the 1st gen iPhone)?
- drewbeck 3y ago
  I haven't seen anybody suggesting the occlusion issue is or can be solved, along with the huge light leak that's native to normal glasses. I am sure apple is trying out all the angles on glasses AR, but I don't think you'll be able to get anything like the current Vision experience on them without some new physics.
- Jasper_ 3y ago
  The form factor we have now is basically identical to what headsets looked like in the 80s and 90s [0]. They are barely smaller than they were back then. The problem is not the computers, it's the optical pathway. You can't shrink optics. [0] https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/946xvariable_height/public/1990_a_new_continent.jpg https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/946xvariable...
erybodyknows 3y ago
I suspect this is the case. This device will be to the future iXR devices what the iPods were to the first iPhone.

rvz 3y ago

Correct. This first version of the visionOS product line is not the one that will be the 'iPhone' moment. We are looking at the device that will be ready for these app in the next 5 - 10 years which by that time the device will be smaller that this first version. Probably going to be called 'Apple Vision' in the form of AR glasses.

jacquesm 3y ago
'Correct' as in: you have inside information that confirms this or 'I agree'?
- dylan604 3y ago
  If someone had actual information of that type from Apple and released it on a public forum, they will be hearing from Apple's legal team in 5...4...3.... Otherwise, it just seems like a confirmation of their reading of the tea leaves.
  - rvz 3y ago
    I think both of you need to look at the amount of patents related to the Apple's AR glasses and their related vision products a lot more since it give lots of obvious clues about where Apple will take their Apple vision based products. All publicly available for everyone to see. [0] No inside information needed at all. [0] https://www.patentlyapple.com/face-object-recognition/ https://www.patentlyapple.com/face-object-recognition/
    - dylan604 3y ago
      right, you've read the tea leaves.
      - rvz 3y ago
        The tea leaves, breadcrumbs and obvious clues that tell the truth as close as possible that defines the next phase of Apple's AR/XR products all to the source as public as possible. Correct either way.
withinboredom 3y ago
Hmmm... it's light and physics, not sure how it could get much smaller. Lighter, maybe. Thinner, maybe. But smaller, no. Not unless someone figures out the contact lens or the direct brain uplink.
jsjohnst 3y ago
> This first version of the visionOS product line is not the one that will be the 'iPhone' moment. You mean it’s not a device that’s significantly more expensive and less capable from a feature perspective than the competition at launch (aka the 1st gen iPhone)?
drewbeck 3y ago
I haven't seen anybody suggesting the occlusion issue is or can be solved, along with the huge light leak that's native to normal glasses. I am sure apple is trying out all the angles on glasses AR, but I don't think you'll be able to get anything like the current Vision experience on them without some new physics.
Jasper_ 3y ago
The form factor we have now is basically identical to what headsets looked like in the 80s and 90s [0]. They are barely smaller than they were back then. The problem is not the computers, it's the optical pathway. You can't shrink optics. [0] https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/946xvariable_height/public/1990_a_new_continent.jpg https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/styles/946xvariable...

erybodyknows 3y ago

I suspect this is the case. This device will be to the future iXR devices what the iPods were to the first iPhone.