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dredmorbius 3y ago
<https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36424373 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36424373> In Comments ... Don't be snarky. ... Please don't sneer ... Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes.... Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work.... Please don't complain about tangential annoyances—e.g. article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage. They're too common to be interesting. <https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html> And finally, that would be her expertise.
- necovek 3y ago
  My apologies for assuming it's a he: not sure exactly what of the rules do you think I broke, as I don't think I was snarky (sounds closest). I was mostly making fun of the language we humans tend to use sometimes: a car expert would be applying their expertise on cars, a botany expert would do it in botany, but it's not an "honesty expert" but a "dishonesty expert"? I do believe that's an interesting point to make, even if — obviously — at least someone has misread the joke as something else.
  - dredmorbius 3y ago
    HN members are generally presumed to be familiar with standard tools for subverting paywalls (see also HN Guidelines). Or simply reading the comments thread to find such a workaround. In this case the paywall link is now at the top of the comments thread, though it was posted a few minutes after your own comment. Commenting that you didn't read the article, then making a series of shallow and incorrect assumptions about the circumstances ... seems on the nose for shallow, dismissive snark. Further, it violates HN's prime directive: "What Hacker News is: a place for stories that gratify intellectual curiosity and civil, substantive comments." <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13108404 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13108404>. I'm not a mod, but thought I'd address why your comment might be engendering the response it has.
    - necovek 3y ago
      Part of the guidelines is also to assume best intent: my point was not about paywall (which was admittedly a bad and superfluous excuse, yet I care not to expend time on it further). My intent was to highlight an inconsistency in naming a skill with a negative connotation (dishonesty). How can I more explicitly direct the conversation to why is this skill a "dishonesty expertise" (or rather, an "expert on (ethics and) dishonesty")? I still believe my actual point is "intellectually curious". What other skills are there that are like this? Is there a bad-at-sewing expert who's actually good at sewing?
      - dredmorbius 3y ago
        <https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20%22Please%20don%27t%20pick%20the%20most%20provocative%20thing%22&sort=byPopularity&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...> Four replies deep into this thread, are we discussing topics of intellectual curiosity ... or ... something else? That itself is a strong indicator of the issue here. I strongly recommend pg's discussion of comments, particularly about their relationship to kudzu: <http://www.paulgraham.com/hackernews.html http://www.paulgraham.com/hackernews.html>
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<https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36424373 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36424373> In Comments ... Don't be snarky. ... Please don't sneer ... Avoid generic tangents. Omit internet tropes.... Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work.... Please don't complain about tangential annoyances—e.g. article or website formats, name collisions, or back-button breakage. They're too common to be interesting. <https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html> And finally, that would be her expertise.

necovek 3y ago
My apologies for assuming it's a he: not sure exactly what of the rules do you think I broke, as I don't think I was snarky (sounds closest). I was mostly making fun of the language we humans tend to use sometimes: a car expert would be applying their expertise on cars, a botany expert would do it in botany, but it's not an "honesty expert" but a "dishonesty expert"? I do believe that's an interesting point to make, even if — obviously — at least someone has misread the joke as something else.
- dredmorbius 3y ago
  HN members are generally presumed to be familiar with standard tools for subverting paywalls (see also HN Guidelines). Or simply reading the comments thread to find such a workaround. In this case the paywall link is now at the top of the comments thread, though it was posted a few minutes after your own comment. Commenting that you didn't read the article, then making a series of shallow and incorrect assumptions about the circumstances ... seems on the nose for shallow, dismissive snark. Further, it violates HN's prime directive: "What Hacker News is: a place for stories that gratify intellectual curiosity and civil, substantive comments." <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13108404 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13108404>. I'm not a mod, but thought I'd address why your comment might be engendering the response it has.
  - necovek 3y ago
    Part of the guidelines is also to assume best intent: my point was not about paywall (which was admittedly a bad and superfluous excuse, yet I care not to expend time on it further). My intent was to highlight an inconsistency in naming a skill with a negative connotation (dishonesty). How can I more explicitly direct the conversation to why is this skill a "dishonesty expertise" (or rather, an "expert on (ethics and) dishonesty")? I still believe my actual point is "intellectually curious". What other skills are there that are like this? Is there a bad-at-sewing expert who's actually good at sewing?
    - dredmorbius 3y ago
      <https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20%22Please%20don%27t%20pick%20the%20most%20provocative%20thing%22&sort=byPopularity&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...> Four replies deep into this thread, are we discussing topics of intellectual curiosity ... or ... something else? That itself is a strong indicator of the issue here. I strongly recommend pg's discussion of comments, particularly about their relationship to kudzu: <http://www.paulgraham.com/hackernews.html http://www.paulgraham.com/hackernews.html>
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