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Pretty much what I expect from a union fighting a society who refuses to value the work that they do. I really have a hard time blaming teachers for anything.

by ttymck 3y ago

Pretty much what I expect from a union fighting a society who refuses to value the work that they do. I really have a hard time blaming teachers for anything. We (America) seem to expect them to perform miracles. We are not their "customers", public eduction is not a business, but we insist on treating it like one. We get what we deserve.

WalterBright 3y ago
Union teachers have long campaigned for having no accountability. They've been pretty successful at it. When was the last time you heard a public school teacher take any responsibility at all for poor academic achievement? I've never heard one. They always blame: 1. the parents 2. the students 3. the administration 4. not enough pay 5. not enough technology in the classroom 6. the tests The answer is to give a bonus to teachers depending on their students meeting the grade level academic standards. I've proposed this many times, and the pushback on it is fierce.
- Scubabear68 3y ago
  This. I know many teachers who absolutely crow about the total lack of metrics or accountability. They absolutely love it. As a result, good teachers aren’t recognized, and bad ones proliferate.
  - ttymck 3y ago
    Yes, I would agree the current state of the profession absolutely attracts low quality candidates. It's a self fulfilling prophecy. Every other wealthy nation understands this.
kcplate 3y ago
> Pretty much what I expect from a union fighting a society who refuses to value the work that they do I’d suggest that pre-Covid teachers unions worked to communicate how essential and valuable they were to society, but during the pandemic the unions strangely shifted gears and devalued their members work by basically arguing that the teaching profession was less important then a grocery bagger. Essential workers showed up during the pandemic and did yeoman’s work. Teachers unions argued that they didn’t need to show up to educate our children and failed miserably. Ironically the union’s stupidity by pursuing school closures and remote school illustrated how truly valuable teacher’s are, but destroyed their reputations at the same time.
- randomdata 3y ago
  Most amusing is that in 2019 the teachers union was fighting the government over a proposed change which would see students take two mandatory online classes as part of their completion requirements. The teachers claimed it would be devastating to the kids if just two classes were online. The government finally relented and agreed to not force that upon the students, but then what seemed like only days later all classes were taken online with no pushback from the union to be seen.

by ttymck 3y ago

WalterBright 3y ago

Union teachers have long campaigned for having no accountability. They've been pretty successful at it. When was the last time you heard a public school teacher take any responsibility at all for poor academic achievement? I've never heard one. They always blame: 1. the parents 2. the students 3. the administration 4. not enough pay 5. not enough technology in the classroom 6. the tests The answer is to give a bonus to teachers depending on their students meeting the grade level academic standards. I've proposed this many times, and the pushback on it is fierce.

Scubabear68 3y ago
This. I know many teachers who absolutely crow about the total lack of metrics or accountability. They absolutely love it. As a result, good teachers aren’t recognized, and bad ones proliferate.
- ttymck 3y ago
  Yes, I would agree the current state of the profession absolutely attracts low quality candidates. It's a self fulfilling prophecy. Every other wealthy nation understands this.

kcplate 3y ago

> Pretty much what I expect from a union fighting a society who refuses to value the work that they do I’d suggest that pre-Covid teachers unions worked to communicate how essential and valuable they were to society, but during the pandemic the unions strangely shifted gears and devalued their members work by basically arguing that the teaching profession was less important then a grocery bagger. Essential workers showed up during the pandemic and did yeoman’s work. Teachers unions argued that they didn’t need to show up to educate our children and failed miserably. Ironically the union’s stupidity by pursuing school closures and remote school illustrated how truly valuable teacher’s are, but destroyed their reputations at the same time.

randomdata 3y ago
Most amusing is that in 2019 the teachers union was fighting the government over a proposed change which would see students take two mandatory online classes as part of their completion requirements. The teachers claimed it would be devastating to the kids if just two classes were online. The government finally relented and agreed to not force that upon the students, but then what seemed like only days later all classes were taken online with no pushback from the union to be seen.