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They could also combine GMO cells with ultra-precise nutrient formulations to minimize costs, and be able to provide better nutrition than naturally-raised meat

They could also combine GMO cells with ultra-precise nutrient formulations to minimize costs, and be able to provide better nutrition than naturally-raised meat.

tracker1 3y ago
That assumes they know what needs to be there are aren't using substitute nutrients. There's a lot of things in animal meat that won't be in lab meat. And given what they charge for oat milk and impossible burgers,.I doubt it will be more cost effective for the public.
- rhn_mk1 3y ago
  > There's a lot of things in animal meat that won't be in lab meat. Can you give one example? I'm starting to doubt the honesty of your argument.
  - tracker1 3y ago
    Comparable amounts of Vitamins A, D, E, K and Choline for starters.
    - rhn_mk1 3y ago
      Are there reasons the meat cannot be fortified with them? I found one source talking about nutrient problems, which talks about B12 and iron, and suggests adding them to the nutrient mix. https://www.burdockgroup.com/the-nutritional-challenges-of-cell-cultured-meat-for-pet-food https://www.burdockgroup.com/the-nutritional-challenges-of-c...
      - tracker1 3y ago
        could but the versions of those nutrients in supplements are usually not the same versions, but precursors that don't have the same bioavailability. There's also the fact that there are other micronutrients that we don't know if they are or aren't actually necessary for optimal health. Again, see choline[1], "in 2007 most commercial formulas were “humanized” in terms of choline content" ... That's 2007, which is really recent. That is just a single example. What else will be missing from lab meat? Again, not opposed to lab grown meat... I still feel that it may be appropriate to still consume some animal based nutrition. Even if that is limited to mostly dairy, eggs and/or fish. As I stated earlier, half to two thirds of what people consume is mostly energy alone. Hormonal responses will vary based on the content, but strictly speaking, not so bad one way or another, provided an appropriate balance of amino and fatty acids, which even there, I doubt will be optimal. 1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4422379/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4422379/
        rhn_mk1 3y ago
        I was under the impression that you pointed out a technical impossibility of putting the right nutrients in the cultured meat. Instead it seems like cultured meat will [at first] not have the ingredients [due to lack of knowledge], [similarly to other existing products]. Thanks for explaining.

They could also combine GMO cells with ultra-precise nutrient formulations to minimize costs, and be able to provide better nutrition than naturally-raised meat.

tracker1 3y ago

That assumes they know what needs to be there are aren't using substitute nutrients. There's a lot of things in animal meat that won't be in lab meat. And given what they charge for oat milk and impossible burgers,.I doubt it will be more cost effective for the public.

rhn_mk1 3y ago
> There's a lot of things in animal meat that won't be in lab meat. Can you give one example? I'm starting to doubt the honesty of your argument.
- tracker1 3y ago
  Comparable amounts of Vitamins A, D, E, K and Choline for starters.
  - rhn_mk1 3y ago
    Are there reasons the meat cannot be fortified with them? I found one source talking about nutrient problems, which talks about B12 and iron, and suggests adding them to the nutrient mix. https://www.burdockgroup.com/the-nutritional-challenges-of-cell-cultured-meat-for-pet-food https://www.burdockgroup.com/the-nutritional-challenges-of-c...
    - tracker1 3y ago
      could but the versions of those nutrients in supplements are usually not the same versions, but precursors that don't have the same bioavailability. There's also the fact that there are other micronutrients that we don't know if they are or aren't actually necessary for optimal health. Again, see choline[1], "in 2007 most commercial formulas were “humanized” in terms of choline content" ... That's 2007, which is really recent. That is just a single example. What else will be missing from lab meat? Again, not opposed to lab grown meat... I still feel that it may be appropriate to still consume some animal based nutrition. Even if that is limited to mostly dairy, eggs and/or fish. As I stated earlier, half to two thirds of what people consume is mostly energy alone. Hormonal responses will vary based on the content, but strictly speaking, not so bad one way or another, provided an appropriate balance of amino and fatty acids, which even there, I doubt will be optimal. 1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4422379/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4422379/
      - rhn_mk1 3y ago
        I was under the impression that you pointed out a technical impossibility of putting the right nutrients in the cultured meat. Instead it seems like cultured meat will [at first] not have the ingredients [due to lack of knowledge], [similarly to other existing products]. Thanks for explaining.