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Not saying that I agree but here's an oped arguing against it. Even a refusal! (cultural reasons for removing shoes are respected though) Here’s Why I’ll Be Ke

by bko 3y ago

Not saying that I agree but here's an oped arguing against it. Even a refusal! (cultural reasons for removing shoes are respected though) Here’s Why I’ll Be Keeping My Shoes on in Your Shoeless Home https://www.wsj.com/articles/heres-why-ill-be-keeping-my-shoes-on-in-your-shoeless-home-11644503227 https://www.wsj.com/articles/heres-why-ill-be-keeping-my-sho... Or archive version https://archive.is/BSr91 https://archive.is/BSr91

midoridensha 3y ago
The author of that sounds like an archetypical arrogant, insufferable, American Karen. She's not welcome in my Tokyo home.
pyrale 3y ago
Sounds like the kind of insufferable person that will also argue about the food they're served, the music they hear, and even the way you decorated your home. > cultural reasons for removing shoes are respected though "I will show no respect for your decisions regarding your personal space, but only if that doesn't make me look bad" ...And of course, when you read a bit further, you realize that this kind of person doesn't understand the decision because there ought to be some kind of domestic fixing their mess. > Why don’t I just leave my shoes on and give you the amount of money [...] You can use it to hire a housecleaner to mop up after my shoe detritus.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  > Sounds like the kind of insufferable person Indeed. And it's just plain being a bad guest. When you're a guest at someone's house, honoring their wishes about things like this is a duty. It's showing them respect.
- bko 3y ago
  I guess the Crux of the argument is: Why are you assuming that your guests’ shoes are dirtier than your floors? They believe a floor mat would suffice and it's rude to expect people to get their socks or bare feet dirty from the floor. Maybe slippers are the answer?
  - pyrale 3y ago
    The crux of my argument is: Why is that guest assuming that their opinions are more important than the overwhelmingly accepted idea that people get to set their own home's rules? > Maybe slippers are the answer? The author explains in no ambiguous terms that they won't settle for slippers.
  - NikolaNovak 3y ago
    This is not the meeting of equals on neutral ground though. One party is entering another party's home. If you're not comfortable with rules inside that home, then don't enter that home. 100% agree that whether your own home is shoeless or not is a personal and cultural preference and decision. More power to you. But if I am entering your home, then your rules prevail.
    - vram22 3y ago
      Agreed. This is so obvious that I don’t know why it even makes sense to discuss, unless the person entering has some health issue. Even in that case, they have to ask the house owner or renter whether they can keep their shoes on inside. Since it is their house, they, and only they, get to decide the rules about shoes allowed inside or not.
  - spondylosaurus 3y ago
    > Why are you assuming that your guests’ shoes are dirtier than your floors? Are my guests regularly cleaning the bottoms of their shoe the way I regularly clean my floors? (Almost certainly not, because why would you?)
NikolaNovak 3y ago
There's no actual "argument against it" in the link - it's just a random person expressing their apparently strongly held personal preference. (In a pretty antagonistic, nasty way, too, but them's the breaks when you want to write op-ed pieces and get attention :-/ )
egypturnash 3y ago
Here's Why I'll Never Get Invited To Your Home Again

by bko 3y ago

midoridensha 3y ago

The author of that sounds like an archetypical arrogant, insufferable, American Karen. She's not welcome in my Tokyo home.

pyrale 3y ago

Sounds like the kind of insufferable person that will also argue about the food they're served, the music they hear, and even the way you decorated your home. > cultural reasons for removing shoes are respected though "I will show no respect for your decisions regarding your personal space, but only if that doesn't make me look bad" ...And of course, when you read a bit further, you realize that this kind of person doesn't understand the decision because there ought to be some kind of domestic fixing their mess. > Why don’t I just leave my shoes on and give you the amount of money [...] You can use it to hire a housecleaner to mop up after my shoe detritus.

JohnFen 3y ago
> Sounds like the kind of insufferable person Indeed. And it's just plain being a bad guest. When you're a guest at someone's house, honoring their wishes about things like this is a duty. It's showing them respect.
bko 3y ago
I guess the Crux of the argument is: Why are you assuming that your guests’ shoes are dirtier than your floors? They believe a floor mat would suffice and it's rude to expect people to get their socks or bare feet dirty from the floor. Maybe slippers are the answer?
- pyrale 3y ago
  The crux of my argument is: Why is that guest assuming that their opinions are more important than the overwhelmingly accepted idea that people get to set their own home's rules? > Maybe slippers are the answer? The author explains in no ambiguous terms that they won't settle for slippers.
- NikolaNovak 3y ago
  This is not the meeting of equals on neutral ground though. One party is entering another party's home. If you're not comfortable with rules inside that home, then don't enter that home. 100% agree that whether your own home is shoeless or not is a personal and cultural preference and decision. More power to you. But if I am entering your home, then your rules prevail.
  - vram22 3y ago
    Agreed. This is so obvious that I don’t know why it even makes sense to discuss, unless the person entering has some health issue. Even in that case, they have to ask the house owner or renter whether they can keep their shoes on inside. Since it is their house, they, and only they, get to decide the rules about shoes allowed inside or not.
- spondylosaurus 3y ago
  > Why are you assuming that your guests’ shoes are dirtier than your floors? Are my guests regularly cleaning the bottoms of their shoe the way I regularly clean my floors? (Almost certainly not, because why would you?)

NikolaNovak 3y ago

There's no actual "argument against it" in the link - it's just a random person expressing their apparently strongly held personal preference. (In a pretty antagonistic, nasty way, too, but them's the breaks when you want to write op-ed pieces and get attention :-/ )

egypturnash 3y ago

Here's Why I'll Never Get Invited To Your Home Again