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"Wokeness" is completely irrelevant to this situation, which is likely why this comment got buried and then flagged. And for what it's worth, "woke" isn't a wo
by Zetice 3y ago
"Wokeness" is completely irrelevant to this situation, which is likely why this comment got buried and then flagged.
And for what it's worth, "woke" isn't a word folks who are engaging honestly tend to use much/at all. It used to be a way to describe being socially aware of systemic oppression of minority groups in society, but now it's a derogatory term used to denigrate people who care about how others are treated.
It's not "right" or "left" that's the problem here; if someone wants to argue about laissez faire economics or how the government should wisely invest its limited resources in programs that provide greater societal returns, they're absolutely free to.
What you're seeing get "nuked from orbit" is hate speech and, "tough luck" attitudes that reduce human beings to some generalization that either isn't true, or severely overemphasized for alienating effect. The fact that one political group tends towards those arguments more than another is a symptom, not the cause.
- hax0ron3 3y agoI am using "woke" to mean "progressive but in a dogmatic and authoritarian way". Yes, I am using it in a derogatory way. That is because I dislike dogmatic authoritarians. I do not use the word to describe progressives who are open-minded and liberal. >What you're seeing get "nuked from orbit" is hate speech and, "tough luck" attitudes that reduce human beings to some generalization that either isn't true, or severely overemphasized for alienating effect. The fact that one political group tends towards those arguments more than another is a symptom, not the cause. You perhaps do not have much experience with discussing politics on Reddit if you think that those are the only things that Reddit mods delete.
- Zetice 3y agoYeah, that's not what "woke" means! That's insulting. You're inviting hostility, how could you be surprised when you're treated poorly in return? And I have literal decades of experience on Reddit. I've been there since ~2007 (Alexis sent me some Reddit car stickers and other random swag back in '08 as part of an early promotion), and I moderated a number of these subs that are now famously getting blown up, but quit when I discovered the cabal-like hidden IRC channels where mods would shit-talk their userbase, plot ways to crush smaller subs, and generally be gigantic assholes towards people they had power over. I personally believe mods are a net negative on Reddit, but not because they're "woke" or anything. Many are just assholes. You can be both liberal and an asshole, politics has very little to do with this situation. But more importantly, this isn't Reddit. This is HN, and frankly I've experienced a fairly strong libertarian lean around these parts that happily comes out to converse when the topic isn't fraught with words like "woke".
- hax0ron3 3y agoWell, sounds like we do not really disagree much. You mainly just object to my use of the word "woke" because you read it in its original meaning, which is fair. Feel free to just replace "woke" by "dogmatic authoritarian progressivism" in what I wrote. >I personally believe mods are a net negative on Reddit, but not because they're "woke" or anything. Many are just assholes. You can be both liberal and an asshole, politics has very little to do with this situation. Certainly.