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this was the post that made me feel this way: https://old.reddit.com/r/ScienceUncensored/comments/14axb5r/girl_sues_hospital_for_removing_her_breasts_at/ https:

this was the post that made me feel this way: https://old.reddit.com/r/ScienceUncensored/comments/14axb5r/girl_sues_hospital_for_removing_her_breasts_at/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ScienceUncensored/comments/14axb5r/... I just want to say that I support peoples right to self-actualize and we should all be loving and supportive to anyone who is questioning their gender. But I've never seen this sub on the front page before and this article was on the front page for like 2 days. There are many in the thread commenting that the parents are at fault for doctor shopping, and generally discussing questioning laws being passed to force parents to support their children's decisions to transition. These are important discussions for us as a society, what level of autonomy do we assign to parents vs children vs government when it comes to permanent bodily alterations such as hormones and surgeries that impact the rest of their lives, and most of the discussion would simply be removed and people not 100% supportive would be banned if there had been a woke mod crew for this subreddit.

giraffe_lady 3y ago
And now you publicly have an opinion about a niche & highly technical medical-social issue that directly affects an absolutely tiny minority of the population. That is the culture war my dude. It came for you and you welcomed it with open arms.
- jerkstate 3y ago
  The only opinion I expressed is one of support for people experiencing this, and recognizing the importance of society coming to a consensus on this issue.
  - idiotsecant 3y ago
    >the importance of society coming to a consensus on this issue. Is it that important? That's what the culture war is. Focus all your emotional energy on things that don't really matter in the grand scheme of things to keep you from having the bandwidth to care about the real systemic problems that nobody is terribly interested in fixing because they benefit from them.
21225032 3y ago
> people not 100% supportive would be banned if there had been a woke mod crew for this subreddit FWIW, the trans community (at least as far as anyone I've spoken too) doesn't want children getting surgical medical intervention either. There's a growing trend of saying "the gays want X" or "trans people want X," when in reality X isn't supported by the communities. > a woke mod crew for this subreddit I want to conclude by mentioning out-group homogeneity bias. I don't think "woke" is a meaningful term anymore. Instead, it seems to be used by "anti-woke" people to refer to an amalgam-person, who holds a set of beliefs, which seem rare in practice. This isn't helped by "woke" people who seem to follow the Anakin Skywalker school of thought when it comes to people who don't already agree with them: "If you're not with me, then you're my enemy." > I just want to say that I support peoples right to self-actualize and we should all be loving and supportive to anyone who is questioning their gender. FWIW, I think this statement is pretty "woke" :)
- jerkstate 3y ago
  It shouldn't be considered "woke" to treat people with dignity regardless of who they are or how they present themselves, and I think most people do that. There are people on the fringes of many of these social issues, we can refer to them as "woke" and "anti-woke" who either think that these are settled topics and there can be no reasonable discussion besides agreement, or that they have a license to be horrible to people they disagree with. Control of the conversation by either fringe is perceived to have the power to push this middle ground in their preferred direction, or at least make it seem like the fringe narrative is more popular than it is, and I think the loss of some measure of this power is why some other commenters in this thread have referred to this as "war" *(including myself referring to "culture war") Really, it was a mistake on my part to use the word "woke" because it is such a lightning rod, or at least I should have balanced it with my negative opinions about "anti-woke" as well.
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giraffe_lady 3y ago

And now you publicly have an opinion about a niche & highly technical medical-social issue that directly affects an absolutely tiny minority of the population. That is the culture war my dude. It came for you and you welcomed it with open arms.

jerkstate 3y ago
The only opinion I expressed is one of support for people experiencing this, and recognizing the importance of society coming to a consensus on this issue.
- idiotsecant 3y ago
  >the importance of society coming to a consensus on this issue. Is it that important? That's what the culture war is. Focus all your emotional energy on things that don't really matter in the grand scheme of things to keep you from having the bandwidth to care about the real systemic problems that nobody is terribly interested in fixing because they benefit from them.

21225032 3y ago

> people not 100% supportive would be banned if there had been a woke mod crew for this subreddit FWIW, the trans community (at least as far as anyone I've spoken too) doesn't want children getting surgical medical intervention either. There's a growing trend of saying "the gays want X" or "trans people want X," when in reality X isn't supported by the communities. > a woke mod crew for this subreddit I want to conclude by mentioning out-group homogeneity bias. I don't think "woke" is a meaningful term anymore. Instead, it seems to be used by "anti-woke" people to refer to an amalgam-person, who holds a set of beliefs, which seem rare in practice. This isn't helped by "woke" people who seem to follow the Anakin Skywalker school of thought when it comes to people who don't already agree with them: "If you're not with me, then you're my enemy." > I just want to say that I support peoples right to self-actualize and we should all be loving and supportive to anyone who is questioning their gender. FWIW, I think this statement is pretty "woke" :)

jerkstate 3y ago
It shouldn't be considered "woke" to treat people with dignity regardless of who they are or how they present themselves, and I think most people do that. There are people on the fringes of many of these social issues, we can refer to them as "woke" and "anti-woke" who either think that these are settled topics and there can be no reasonable discussion besides agreement, or that they have a license to be horrible to people they disagree with. Control of the conversation by either fringe is perceived to have the power to push this middle ground in their preferred direction, or at least make it seem like the fringe narrative is more popular than it is, and I think the loss of some measure of this power is why some other commenters in this thread have referred to this as "war" *(including myself referring to "culture war") Really, it was a mistake on my part to use the word "woke" because it is such a lightning rod, or at least I should have balanced it with my negative opinions about "anti-woke" as well.

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