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Yeah... had it not been for CentOS, I would've never touched anything in the RHEL-side of things after I discovered Ubuntu in the 10/12 era. Because CentOS exi

Yeah... had it not been for CentOS, I would've never touched anything in the RHEL-side of things after I discovered Ubuntu in the 10/12 era. Because CentOS existed, I made sure most of my open source work would run just as well on all RHEL derivatives as it does on Debian. If Rocky didn't exist, I would quickly drop all my RHEL support because operating thousands of test machines and containers based on UBI and having to keep up with their licensing game would cost too much of my time. Rocky and Alma are the only reason devs like me still build anything for RHEL.

prmoustache 3y ago
I'd have to check if it is still the case but RHEL has provided free developer licenses for RHEL for years (decades?). EDIT: checked and it still exist and allow usage of up to 16 physical or virtual nodes for development " to develop software (including open source software), perform prototyping or quality assurance testing and/or for demonstration purposes.
- yrro 3y ago
  You can also use them for production. Scroll to the bottom of https://sso.redhat.com/auth/realms/redhat-external/protocol/openid-connect/registrations https://sso.redhat.com/auth/realms/redhat-external/protocol/... and follow the link to the terms & conditions: > The Individual Developer Subscriptions allow you (as an individual, natural person) to use certain Red Hat Subscription Services in connection with Red Hat Software for Individual Development Use and for Individual Production Use subject to these Program Terms at no cost. > “Individual Production Use” means any use other than for Individual Development Use including, but not limited to, using the Software (a) in a production environment, (b) with live data and/or applications and/or (c) for backup instances Red Hat also have a no-cost Developer Subscription for Teams agreement for organizations.
- g8oz 3y ago
  And those conditions are exactly what the OP meant by a licensing game.
  - prmoustache 3y ago
    There is notting in Jeff Geerling's project list[1] that warrant hundred's of rhel machines and containers at any given time. Containers are mostly ephemerals when used for build and test purpose. [1] https://www.jeffgeerling.com/projects https://www.jeffgeerling.com/projects
    - geerlingguy 3y ago
      The fact that I have to spend more than 5 seconds considering how to integrate my Red Hat Subscription into my test builds (for dozens of projects) means I won't do it. That's why I stuck with Rocky Linux instead of just dropping all RHEL support entirely. And there are _a lot_ of test runs where I have more than 20-30 test containers running simultaneously with Rocky Linux 8 and 9. Do I have to write new software that limits my test infrastructure to only run 16 tests at a time or something idiotic like that? Do I have to even wonder about that using Debian, Arch, heck even Amazon Linux? No.
      - prmoustache 3y ago
        > The fact that I have to spend more than 5 seconds considering how to integrate my Red Hat Subscription into my test builds So basically you are saying the author of an ansible book do not care spending a couple of minutes understanding a simple process to automatise it. Sounds like great advertising for your books really.
      - yrro 3y ago
        FYI containers aren't their own entity for subscription management purposes. A subscribed host can run as many containers as it wants, the host's subscriptions work inside the containers. (That said I agree that dealing with subscription-manager at all is a lot more annoying than ... not having to do so with RHEL derivatives!)
- znpy 3y ago
  It’s a fairly recent thing though
  - prmoustache 3y ago
    It has been a thing for the last 5 years at the very least.
    - znpy 3y ago
      Red Hat recently turned 30 years old as a company. So yeah, 5 years is pretty recent, unless you started using linux last week.
      - prmoustache 3y ago
        I said at least 5 years because I know I used it 5 years ago in a previous company and I am pretty sure about it but it may have been earlier. If you have a source with the original announcement, by all means share it. EDIT: found an announcement of march 2016 so we are talking +7years at least.
        znpy 3y ago
        Still fairly recent unless you started using linux last week.

prmoustache 3y ago

I'd have to check if it is still the case but RHEL has provided free developer licenses for RHEL for years (decades?). EDIT: checked and it still exist and allow usage of up to 16 physical or virtual nodes for development " to develop software (including open source software), perform prototyping or quality assurance testing and/or for demonstration purposes.

yrro 3y ago
You can also use them for production. Scroll to the bottom of https://sso.redhat.com/auth/realms/redhat-external/protocol/openid-connect/registrations https://sso.redhat.com/auth/realms/redhat-external/protocol/... and follow the link to the terms & conditions: > The Individual Developer Subscriptions allow you (as an individual, natural person) to use certain Red Hat Subscription Services in connection with Red Hat Software for Individual Development Use and for Individual Production Use subject to these Program Terms at no cost. > “Individual Production Use” means any use other than for Individual Development Use including, but not limited to, using the Software (a) in a production environment, (b) with live data and/or applications and/or (c) for backup instances Red Hat also have a no-cost Developer Subscription for Teams agreement for organizations.
g8oz 3y ago
And those conditions are exactly what the OP meant by a licensing game.
- prmoustache 3y ago
  There is notting in Jeff Geerling's project list[1] that warrant hundred's of rhel machines and containers at any given time. Containers are mostly ephemerals when used for build and test purpose. [1] https://www.jeffgeerling.com/projects https://www.jeffgeerling.com/projects
  - geerlingguy 3y ago
    The fact that I have to spend more than 5 seconds considering how to integrate my Red Hat Subscription into my test builds (for dozens of projects) means I won't do it. That's why I stuck with Rocky Linux instead of just dropping all RHEL support entirely. And there are _a lot_ of test runs where I have more than 20-30 test containers running simultaneously with Rocky Linux 8 and 9. Do I have to write new software that limits my test infrastructure to only run 16 tests at a time or something idiotic like that? Do I have to even wonder about that using Debian, Arch, heck even Amazon Linux? No.
    - prmoustache 3y ago
      > The fact that I have to spend more than 5 seconds considering how to integrate my Red Hat Subscription into my test builds So basically you are saying the author of an ansible book do not care spending a couple of minutes understanding a simple process to automatise it. Sounds like great advertising for your books really.
    - yrro 3y ago
      FYI containers aren't their own entity for subscription management purposes. A subscribed host can run as many containers as it wants, the host's subscriptions work inside the containers. (That said I agree that dealing with subscription-manager at all is a lot more annoying than ... not having to do so with RHEL derivatives!)
znpy 3y ago
It’s a fairly recent thing though
- prmoustache 3y ago
  It has been a thing for the last 5 years at the very least.
  - znpy 3y ago
    Red Hat recently turned 30 years old as a company. So yeah, 5 years is pretty recent, unless you started using linux last week.
    - prmoustache 3y ago
      I said at least 5 years because I know I used it 5 years ago in a previous company and I am pretty sure about it but it may have been earlier. If you have a source with the original announcement, by all means share it. EDIT: found an announcement of march 2016 so we are talking +7years at least.
      - znpy 3y ago
        Still fairly recent unless you started using linux last week.