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> I don’t understand what game IBM is playing with Red Hat. And this is yet another part of the reason why I don't understand the big push for RedHat specific

> I don’t understand what game IBM is playing with Red Hat. And this is yet another part of the reason why I don't understand the big push for RedHat specific tooling. Podman comes up a lot. But, just like with everything RHEL it seems as though RedHat / IBM wants to be the Apple of Linux. I'm not a fan of that. I also don't believe IBM is a good steward of OSS based on how I've seen them try to sell it in the enterprise.

anyoneamous 3y ago
> I don't understand the big push for RedHat specific tooling I'd wager it is driven by RH simply being "least worst" of the options which can be relied on to stick around long enough for enterprise users. Canonical are doing their best to screw the pooch with snap and similar nonsense, leaving the only other option being cobbling together a collection of tools from fly-by-night small projects - which might go full unicorn-wannabe and adopt an open-core SaaS model any second.
- mjevans 3y ago
  Debian? Maybe SUSE? Offhand I don't know enterprise level support for any of them, but I expect 'support' solutions are offered for all of them, even if not first party as an outside source.
  - anyoneamous 3y ago
    SUSE is the other one I thought about mentioning - but I have only really seen it used with SAP. A big part of the problem is ISVs refusing to test their software on more than just RH - which is not in itself a totally unreasonable position - but it does now give IBM too much clout.
- windexh8er 3y ago
  I guess I should have been more clear. What I meant was that there seem to be a lot of die hard RedHat fans that hock the RedHat ecosystem for no apparent gain. I failed to make my point clearly, however. Podman is one of those tools that seem to follow up that narrative. RedHat could invest in the container ecosystem to make things better. Instead they strive to compete and hang their hat on very specific arguments against products that were (and still are in many cases) more complete.

anyoneamous 3y ago

> I don't understand the big push for RedHat specific tooling I'd wager it is driven by RH simply being "least worst" of the options which can be relied on to stick around long enough for enterprise users. Canonical are doing their best to screw the pooch with snap and similar nonsense, leaving the only other option being cobbling together a collection of tools from fly-by-night small projects - which might go full unicorn-wannabe and adopt an open-core SaaS model any second.

mjevans 3y ago
Debian? Maybe SUSE? Offhand I don't know enterprise level support for any of them, but I expect 'support' solutions are offered for all of them, even if not first party as an outside source.
- anyoneamous 3y ago
  SUSE is the other one I thought about mentioning - but I have only really seen it used with SAP. A big part of the problem is ISVs refusing to test their software on more than just RH - which is not in itself a totally unreasonable position - but it does now give IBM too much clout.
windexh8er 3y ago
I guess I should have been more clear. What I meant was that there seem to be a lot of die hard RedHat fans that hock the RedHat ecosystem for no apparent gain. I failed to make my point clearly, however. Podman is one of those tools that seem to follow up that narrative. RedHat could invest in the container ecosystem to make things better. Instead they strive to compete and hang their hat on very specific arguments against products that were (and still are in many cases) more complete.