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When Red Hat didn't yet provide free download and free hobbyist licensing for their SO CentOS is what allowed me to learn the RHEL way and learn enough to pay 5

by znpy 3y ago

When Red Hat didn't yet provide free download and free hobbyist licensing for their SO CentOS is what allowed me to learn the RHEL way and learn enough to pay 560 euro to get RHCSA certified. I can see their problem with Oracle, but Rocky linux is probably bringing them business. If my job wouldn't mandate a specific distro, I would use Rocky Linux where the management doesn't want to pay for support, and RHEL whenever possible.

phpisthebest 3y ago
I know there move to CentOS Stream cost them my business, Since that announcement 2 years ago I have replaced all Licensed RHEL servers with Ubuntu Servers...
- StillBored 3y ago
  Which is an odd choice when comparing RH and Canonical. The former has been almost religious about living to the open source ideals, going so far as open sourcing products they purchase, and making sure new products they create have opensource upstreams. I don't think the same can be said of Canonical which seems at every turn to in need of $ so they try desperate ploys to monetize new projects they work on by developing them in house and dropping releases, or trying to lock up markets and charge for features not available in the open source version. So, while they definitely aren't ideal, its hard to point to another company that does more across as much of the opensource ecosystem. Maybe google these days? But one needs only look at some of the google projects governance model to see the difference between RH and Google.
  - phpisthebest 3y ago
    >>The former has been almost religious about living to the open source ideals Pre-IBM sure... Post IBM hardly >>its hard to point to another company that does more across as much of the opensource ecosystem. Maybe google these days? Really, you think google is a good example of Open Source... wow how far we have come.. Google worse than Microsoft when it comes to the EEE model You are correct Canonical is not ideal, but I find them to be more ethical and upfront than Post-IBM RedHat and for sure google
    - fredski42 3y ago
      >> Post IBM hardly Can you put some substance on that statement?
  - yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
    > The former has been almost religious about living to the open source ideals, going so far as open sourcing products they purchase, and making sure new products they create have opensource upstreams. We are having this conversation on an article about them doing their best to avoid sharing their source code in order to kill their downstreams.
geerlingguy 3y ago
Yeah... had it not been for CentOS, I would've never touched anything in the RHEL-side of things after I discovered Ubuntu in the 10/12 era. Because CentOS existed, I made sure most of my open source work would run just as well on all RHEL derivatives as it does on Debian. If Rocky didn't exist, I would quickly drop all my RHEL support because operating thousands of test machines and containers based on UBI and having to keep up with their licensing game would cost too much of my time. Rocky and Alma are the only reason devs like me still build anything for RHEL.
- prmoustache 3y ago
  I'd have to check if it is still the case but RHEL has provided free developer licenses for RHEL for years (decades?). EDIT: checked and it still exist and allow usage of up to 16 physical or virtual nodes for development " to develop software (including open source software), perform prototyping or quality assurance testing and/or for demonstration purposes.
  - yrro 3y ago
    You can also use them for production. Scroll to the bottom of https://sso.redhat.com/auth/realms/redhat-external/protocol/openid-connect/registrations https://sso.redhat.com/auth/realms/redhat-external/protocol/... and follow the link to the terms & conditions: > The Individual Developer Subscriptions allow you (as an individual, natural person) to use certain Red Hat Subscription Services in connection with Red Hat Software for Individual Development Use and for Individual Production Use subject to these Program Terms at no cost. > “Individual Production Use” means any use other than for Individual Development Use including, but not limited to, using the Software (a) in a production environment, (b) with live data and/or applications and/or (c) for backup instances Red Hat also have a no-cost Developer Subscription for Teams agreement for organizations.
  - g8oz 3y ago
    And those conditions are exactly what the OP meant by a licensing game.

by znpy 3y ago

phpisthebest 3y ago

I know there move to CentOS Stream cost them my business, Since that announcement 2 years ago I have replaced all Licensed RHEL servers with Ubuntu Servers...

StillBored 3y ago
Which is an odd choice when comparing RH and Canonical. The former has been almost religious about living to the open source ideals, going so far as open sourcing products they purchase, and making sure new products they create have opensource upstreams. I don't think the same can be said of Canonical which seems at every turn to in need of $ so they try desperate ploys to monetize new projects they work on by developing them in house and dropping releases, or trying to lock up markets and charge for features not available in the open source version. So, while they definitely aren't ideal, its hard to point to another company that does more across as much of the opensource ecosystem. Maybe google these days? But one needs only look at some of the google projects governance model to see the difference between RH and Google.
- phpisthebest 3y ago
  >>The former has been almost religious about living to the open source ideals Pre-IBM sure... Post IBM hardly >>its hard to point to another company that does more across as much of the opensource ecosystem. Maybe google these days? Really, you think google is a good example of Open Source... wow how far we have come.. Google worse than Microsoft when it comes to the EEE model You are correct Canonical is not ideal, but I find them to be more ethical and upfront than Post-IBM RedHat and for sure google
  - fredski42 3y ago
    >> Post IBM hardly Can you put some substance on that statement?
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
  > The former has been almost religious about living to the open source ideals, going so far as open sourcing products they purchase, and making sure new products they create have opensource upstreams. We are having this conversation on an article about them doing their best to avoid sharing their source code in order to kill their downstreams.

geerlingguy 3y ago

Yeah... had it not been for CentOS, I would've never touched anything in the RHEL-side of things after I discovered Ubuntu in the 10/12 era. Because CentOS existed, I made sure most of my open source work would run just as well on all RHEL derivatives as it does on Debian. If Rocky didn't exist, I would quickly drop all my RHEL support because operating thousands of test machines and containers based on UBI and having to keep up with their licensing game would cost too much of my time. Rocky and Alma are the only reason devs like me still build anything for RHEL.

prmoustache 3y ago
I'd have to check if it is still the case but RHEL has provided free developer licenses for RHEL for years (decades?). EDIT: checked and it still exist and allow usage of up to 16 physical or virtual nodes for development " to develop software (including open source software), perform prototyping or quality assurance testing and/or for demonstration purposes.
- yrro 3y ago
  You can also use them for production. Scroll to the bottom of https://sso.redhat.com/auth/realms/redhat-external/protocol/openid-connect/registrations https://sso.redhat.com/auth/realms/redhat-external/protocol/... and follow the link to the terms & conditions: > The Individual Developer Subscriptions allow you (as an individual, natural person) to use certain Red Hat Subscription Services in connection with Red Hat Software for Individual Development Use and for Individual Production Use subject to these Program Terms at no cost. > “Individual Production Use” means any use other than for Individual Development Use including, but not limited to, using the Software (a) in a production environment, (b) with live data and/or applications and/or (c) for backup instances Red Hat also have a no-cost Developer Subscription for Teams agreement for organizations.
- g8oz 3y ago
  And those conditions are exactly what the OP meant by a licensing game.