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I don’t like how they are using AI as an excuse to argue for increased censorship, what difference does it make what type of software the computer is giving inf

I don’t like how they are using AI as an excuse to argue for increased censorship, what difference does it make what type of software the computer is giving information from? This is a potentially sneaky way of getting around freedom of speech, by somehow arguing that if an idea is recycled by a language model it is suddenly OK to censor it, as long as you’re a few degrees of separation from the original blog. What the heck else is post-truth supposed to mean??

timcavel 3y ago
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UncleOxidant 3y ago
> What the heck else is post-truth supposed to mean?? An environment where it's become difficult to tell what is true and what isn't. You could also phrase it as, what's real and what isn't. An epistemic crisis. I think we crossed into a post-truth world 7 or 8 years ago (it's been in process for at least a couple of decades) so it's not like AI precipitated this crisis, but it will accelerate it to new levels.
- null0pointer 3y ago
  Right, we already live in a post-truth world where it's politicians and journalists who omit or twist facts to support their agenda. It's not just politicians and journalists who do this, but they tend to have the most reach and influence on average.
  - a_wild_dandan 3y ago
    By that definition, we've always been in a post-truth world. Yes, access to truth lies on a spectrum. Post-truth references pop up in this moment particularly due to the quantum leap in dis/misinformation. Any layperson, anywhere, can soon convincingly fabricate media of nearly any form: images, video, audio, legit-looking websites, etc. To me, it's justifiable to regard 2023 as an inflection point for truth. My predictions are less catastrophic than many worried folk, but I definitely see why the post-truth moniker is appropriate. Crazy times!
pixl97 3y ago
Eh, this is far messier than you're making it out to be and something that was never thought of when our laws were created. Had human level AI agents existed at the time we wrote the constitution I can assure you it would have been written different. For example, our conversation now. You take for granted it's between two humans, in fact you likely assume it's from someone in your own country. And based on the contents of our conversation, if we can sway each other, that the outcome of this conversation may determine how you vote in a representational democracy. But instead lets say that I am a non-human entity. My entire existence is dictated by a script that says "manipulate luxuryballs to the following political views'. I never tell you I'm a bot, and my disguise is one of a near perfect human simulant. You think I went fishing last week. But I'll never feel. Never care. Never vote. "My" entire existence is one of hundreds of millions of political manipulation bots bought and paid for by whoever has the wealth. This is what is coming and it's only going to get far worse.
- youreincorrect 3y ago
  > Had human level AI agents existed at the time we wrote the constitution I can assure you it would have been written different. You can assure me of that? Really? Edit: If you're going to downvote me, how about you instead provide an explanation of how this can be assured? Or, you know, GFY.
  - dang 3y ago
    Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful. p.s. I agree with you about the word "whataboutism" in principle but you broke the site guidelines badly here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36408848 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36408848
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UncleOxidant 3y ago

> What the heck else is post-truth supposed to mean?? An environment where it's become difficult to tell what is true and what isn't. You could also phrase it as, what's real and what isn't. An epistemic crisis. I think we crossed into a post-truth world 7 or 8 years ago (it's been in process for at least a couple of decades) so it's not like AI precipitated this crisis, but it will accelerate it to new levels.

null0pointer 3y ago
Right, we already live in a post-truth world where it's politicians and journalists who omit or twist facts to support their agenda. It's not just politicians and journalists who do this, but they tend to have the most reach and influence on average.
- a_wild_dandan 3y ago
  By that definition, we've always been in a post-truth world. Yes, access to truth lies on a spectrum. Post-truth references pop up in this moment particularly due to the quantum leap in dis/misinformation. Any layperson, anywhere, can soon convincingly fabricate media of nearly any form: images, video, audio, legit-looking websites, etc. To me, it's justifiable to regard 2023 as an inflection point for truth. My predictions are less catastrophic than many worried folk, but I definitely see why the post-truth moniker is appropriate. Crazy times!

pixl97 3y ago

Eh, this is far messier than you're making it out to be and something that was never thought of when our laws were created. Had human level AI agents existed at the time we wrote the constitution I can assure you it would have been written different. For example, our conversation now. You take for granted it's between two humans, in fact you likely assume it's from someone in your own country. And based on the contents of our conversation, if we can sway each other, that the outcome of this conversation may determine how you vote in a representational democracy. But instead lets say that I am a non-human entity. My entire existence is dictated by a script that says "manipulate luxuryballs to the following political views'. I never tell you I'm a bot, and my disguise is one of a near perfect human simulant. You think I went fishing last week. But I'll never feel. Never care. Never vote. "My" entire existence is one of hundreds of millions of political manipulation bots bought and paid for by whoever has the wealth. This is what is coming and it's only going to get far worse.

youreincorrect 3y ago
> Had human level AI agents existed at the time we wrote the constitution I can assure you it would have been written different. You can assure me of that? Really? Edit: If you're going to downvote me, how about you instead provide an explanation of how this can be assured? Or, you know, GFY.
- dang 3y ago
  Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful. p.s. I agree with you about the word "whataboutism" in principle but you broke the site guidelines badly here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36408848 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36408848
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