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Ok, so your post does a nice job of shutting down conversation and finding racism where there was none intended (as predicted). Note that I imply nothing and t
by bequanna 3y ago
Ok, so your post does a nice job of shutting down conversation and finding racism where there was none intended (as predicted).
Note that I imply nothing and the statement is a simple, albeit troubling, fact.
How do you propose that the discussion of decline in South Africa is framed so it doesn’t devolve into people screaming “that’s racist!!”?
- happytoexplain 3y ago>I imply nothing and the statement is a simple, albeit troubling, fact Words have implications. This is one of those fallacious "but it's true" things, where it honestly becomes difficult to give the speaker the benefit of the doubt - i.e. that you think the phrase "South Africa was [insert anything positive] under Apartheid", by itself, has no possible implications.
- bequanna 3y agoOk, cool. Words don’t necessarily trigger me but I suppose I can accept that others get emotional about specific word choice. Reframe the statement so some discussion on decline can proceed without triggering anyone.
- mcdonje 3y agoIt's unreasonable to expect people to take a statement in support of a fundamentally racist institution as not being racist. People aren't "triggered" for making that connection and they aren't "shutting down the conversation" for calling out the racism inherent in such a statement. It's incredibly easy to have a conversation about how to improve SA without taking needless diversions to support racist institutions. All you have to do is talk about potential solutions to current problems. That's it. That's all it takes. Bringing up historical racist institutions is a good way to derail and shut down reasonable discussion.
- aaomidi 3y agoNo one is shutting your conversation, you're free to have it. Inform us, using that (correct) observation, whats the next step in the conversation?