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His post is basically "we all know why this is happening, we just can't say it. You know what I mean. Wink wink. Nudge nudge." First of all, as an outsider, no

by feoren 3y ago

His post is basically "we all know why this is happening, we just can't say it. You know what I mean. Wink wink. Nudge nudge." First of all, as an outsider, no, I don't know why it's happening. Secondly, the way it's carefully couched to avoid stating an actual reason, appealing to how they're "not allowed to say it", makes it sound like the real thing they want to say is something over-simplistic and extremely bigoted like "It's because of all the Blacks." So I'll leave my downvote, thank you.

olah_1 3y ago
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- zug_zug 3y ago
  The answer is never "blacks" that's just not an actionable thing. If you think crime then the problem then you can come up with suggestions to improve things (policing perhaps? Gun control? reducing poverty?), those improvements really have nothing to do with the skin color of anyone though, just a distraction.
- feoren 3y ago
  > you ban the questions I'm not a moderator -- I'm not banning anything. You literally stated no reason. You asked no question. Why are you telling me that I can't handle the question when you haven't even hinted at what the real question is? And if the question you think we should be asking is "Is it because of all the Blacks?" then the reason that's not taken seriously is because it's (a) obviously false and (b) obviously asked in bad faith. Why aren't we allowed to bring up the possibility that it's because of the world cabal of Pashtun lizard-humans using their space laser to destroy society so we don't figure out the dark secret that the Earth is actually toroidal!?
- happytoexplain 3y ago
  >This proves my point. This is a common fallacious defense. You expressed an opinion about a particular example of dishonest criticism, and then were criticized. There is no "proof" that the latter criticism is also dishonest. It's OK to criticize an opinion, even if that opinion happens to be about criticism. Also, it's hard not to point out: "Just asking questions" is such a common bad-faith tactic in the vein of "I'm not saying that it's X, but it's X" that it has actually become a meme/joke. It's absolutely valid, assuming honesty! But as a phrase it has no legs.
Dig1t 3y ago
Okay so I will pose a simple question and see how quickly I get downvoted to oblivion. Why is the town of Orania so beautiful, clean, and prosperous while the rest of South Africa is like this? You can watch videos of it on YouTube, it is very nice. Compare it with black towns or major cities in greater South Africa. Orania is a “whites only” town of about 2500 people. They don’t abuse or extract resources from blacks, they just live separately. This is the kind of dangerous question that GP is saying one is generally not allowed to ask. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orania https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orania
- rootusrootus 3y ago
  Because white people in SA are quite a lot more wealthy than black people? And it's no surprise that wealth brings stability and peace.
  - reducesuffering 3y ago
    That doesn't seem to be the case there. From the wiki: "The average wage in Orania was estimated at approximately R94,036 per annum in 2019, low by White South African standards. In 2016, CNN reported unemployment in Orania at 2%. In 2015, a visiting journalist estimated the poverty rate at 70–80%" That seems to be similar: "Annual household income for blacks stood at an average of 92,893 rand (about $7,000)" https://www.reuters.com/article/us-safrica-economy/black-south-africans-still-earn-far-less-than-whites-survey-idUSKBN15B152 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-safrica-economy/black-sou...
    - 93po 3y ago
      The second sentence of your link literally says the average income for white people was four times higher than black people. Orania has 2066 people, and a third of them are children. That leaves 1363 adults. The official stats say there are only 609 people employed there, which means less than half of the adults work. Combined with making their own currency, elections, not having any real police force or public services, and the rest of SA basically leaving them alone, this all screams "racist white people with a lot of money who want to roleplay Fallout mixed with Atlas Shrugged".

by feoren 3y ago

olah_1 3y ago

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zug_zug 3y ago
The answer is never "blacks" that's just not an actionable thing. If you think crime then the problem then you can come up with suggestions to improve things (policing perhaps? Gun control? reducing poverty?), those improvements really have nothing to do with the skin color of anyone though, just a distraction.
feoren 3y ago
> you ban the questions I'm not a moderator -- I'm not banning anything. You literally stated no reason. You asked no question. Why are you telling me that I can't handle the question when you haven't even hinted at what the real question is? And if the question you think we should be asking is "Is it because of all the Blacks?" then the reason that's not taken seriously is because it's (a) obviously false and (b) obviously asked in bad faith. Why aren't we allowed to bring up the possibility that it's because of the world cabal of Pashtun lizard-humans using their space laser to destroy society so we don't figure out the dark secret that the Earth is actually toroidal!?
happytoexplain 3y ago
>This proves my point. This is a common fallacious defense. You expressed an opinion about a particular example of dishonest criticism, and then were criticized. There is no "proof" that the latter criticism is also dishonest. It's OK to criticize an opinion, even if that opinion happens to be about criticism. Also, it's hard not to point out: "Just asking questions" is such a common bad-faith tactic in the vein of "I'm not saying that it's X, but it's X" that it has actually become a meme/joke. It's absolutely valid, assuming honesty! But as a phrase it has no legs.

Dig1t 3y ago

Okay so I will pose a simple question and see how quickly I get downvoted to oblivion. Why is the town of Orania so beautiful, clean, and prosperous while the rest of South Africa is like this? You can watch videos of it on YouTube, it is very nice. Compare it with black towns or major cities in greater South Africa. Orania is a “whites only” town of about 2500 people. They don’t abuse or extract resources from blacks, they just live separately. This is the kind of dangerous question that GP is saying one is generally not allowed to ask. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orania https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orania

rootusrootus 3y ago
Because white people in SA are quite a lot more wealthy than black people? And it's no surprise that wealth brings stability and peace.
- reducesuffering 3y ago
  That doesn't seem to be the case there. From the wiki: "The average wage in Orania was estimated at approximately R94,036 per annum in 2019, low by White South African standards. In 2016, CNN reported unemployment in Orania at 2%. In 2015, a visiting journalist estimated the poverty rate at 70–80%" That seems to be similar: "Annual household income for blacks stood at an average of 92,893 rand (about $7,000)" https://www.reuters.com/article/us-safrica-economy/black-south-africans-still-earn-far-less-than-whites-survey-idUSKBN15B152 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-safrica-economy/black-sou...
  - 93po 3y ago
    The second sentence of your link literally says the average income for white people was four times higher than black people. Orania has 2066 people, and a third of them are children. That leaves 1363 adults. The official stats say there are only 609 people employed there, which means less than half of the adults work. Combined with making their own currency, elections, not having any real police force or public services, and the rest of SA basically leaving them alone, this all screams "racist white people with a lot of money who want to roleplay Fallout mixed with Atlas Shrugged".