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> What do you mean by "career limiting"? Career limiting means you'll see less career advancements. > speaking up like that should be considered a good thing.

> What do you mean by "career limiting"? Career limiting means you'll see less career advancements. > speaking up like that should be considered a good thing. Agreed. But in practice it's unfortunately not always seen that way. > If it's not, why would you want to continue working there? Because I weight several factors when deciding where to work and there are other benefits to working here.

JohnFen 3y ago
> Career limiting means you'll see less career advancements. So you mean career-limiting at that particular company? I understand. Thanks!
- bluefirebrand 3y ago
  You may also get a bit of a reputation that may follow you around. In areas with very close knit industries it can hurt your opportunities.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    Yes, it might! But there are lots of employers who value employees who are focused on customer experience. It's probably limited my opportunities some, but I can't really tell. There are plenty of opportunities out there, and if a company doesn't want me because I'm willing to be honest and argue for what I think is right, then that's a company I don't want to work for anyway. So it all works out for the best for everybody.
    - temp_account_11 3y ago
      I totally understand and respect your ideals. I wish more people were like you. But at the same time you fail the see the nuance for why others might make a different decision. I think it's reasonable for someone to take a moral stance here, and I can also respect someone that choses to stay at the job that's the best at providing for their family. That's the insight I was providing.
      - JohnFen 3y ago
        > But at the same time you fail the see the nuance for why others might make a different decision. Umm, I totally see why others would decide differently. Everyone makes their own choices and trade-offs. I was just trying to point out that if the objection is that doing those sorts of things is a career-killer, that's objectively not true. It might mean that certain specific companies won't like you, but you won't be rejected by the industry overall.

JohnFen 3y ago

> Career limiting means you'll see less career advancements. So you mean career-limiting at that particular company? I understand. Thanks!

bluefirebrand 3y ago
You may also get a bit of a reputation that may follow you around. In areas with very close knit industries it can hurt your opportunities.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  Yes, it might! But there are lots of employers who value employees who are focused on customer experience. It's probably limited my opportunities some, but I can't really tell. There are plenty of opportunities out there, and if a company doesn't want me because I'm willing to be honest and argue for what I think is right, then that's a company I don't want to work for anyway. So it all works out for the best for everybody.
  - temp_account_11 3y ago
    I totally understand and respect your ideals. I wish more people were like you. But at the same time you fail the see the nuance for why others might make a different decision. I think it's reasonable for someone to take a moral stance here, and I can also respect someone that choses to stay at the job that's the best at providing for their family. That's the insight I was providing.
    - JohnFen 3y ago
      > But at the same time you fail the see the nuance for why others might make a different decision. Umm, I totally see why others would decide differently. Everyone makes their own choices and trade-offs. I was just trying to point out that if the objection is that doing those sorts of things is a career-killer, that's objectively not true. It might mean that certain specific companies won't like you, but you won't be rejected by the industry overall.