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There isn't really any, only Debian/Ubuntu gets close. RHEL and its clones are supported with updates for 10 years, often ship with "more modern" server softwa

There isn't really any, only Debian/Ubuntu gets close. RHEL and its clones are supported with updates for 10 years, often ship with "more modern" server software than Debian does (e.g. firewalld, podman, systemd etc) and DNF, whilst slower, still blows apt in terms of feature set (e.g. transcriptional, roll-backs, history, offline upgrades) There's also SUSE.

mikae1 3y ago
> There isn't really any, only Debian/Ubuntu gets close. > There's also SUSE. So, why doesn't SUSE get close?
- count 3y ago
  The Marketing Gap. Also the unfortunate detour with Novell and MicroFocus for a few years...
  - pestaa 3y ago
    Give them a few more. They acquired Rancher, k3s, have MicroOS, and ALP in the pipeline. I'm rooting for them.
traceroute66 3y ago
> RHEL and its clones My understanding is that the problem with RHEL clones is just that, that they are clones. From what I've read, the problem is that RHEL will often make changes to suit their various enterprise customers, for example I seem to recall reading somewhere that OpenSSL was one of many things "touched" in that way. I hear many good things about DNF vs apt, but I'm too worried by the skeletons in the clone cupboard.
count 3y ago
RHEL saying '8' or '9' is supported for 10 years is misleading af. Each 'minor version' (which are, in fact, sometimes large changes!) is supported for it's own specific time period. Odd numbered (8.5, 8.7) for example are only supported for 6 months. https://access.redhat.com/sites/default/files/images/337_rhel_9_life_cycle_updates_0423.png https://access.redhat.com/sites/default/files/images/337_rhe... It's terrifying actually.
- axus 3y ago
  Yep, the "10 year support" for 8.8 means that you'll upgrade to 8.10 (to-be-released) and then that will be supported for the rest of the duration.
sofixa 3y ago
> often ship with "more modern" server software than Debian does That's not really true. They often ship with Red Hat specific software (like Podman is) replacing widely used software (e.g. Docker, to which Podman still isn't feature complete even though it has been shoved in everyone's throats for a couple of years now), but "more modern" will vary wildly based on the release date.

mikae1 3y ago

> There isn't really any, only Debian/Ubuntu gets close. > There's also SUSE. So, why doesn't SUSE get close?

count 3y ago
The Marketing Gap. Also the unfortunate detour with Novell and MicroFocus for a few years...
- pestaa 3y ago
  Give them a few more. They acquired Rancher, k3s, have MicroOS, and ALP in the pipeline. I'm rooting for them.

traceroute66 3y ago

> RHEL and its clones My understanding is that the problem with RHEL clones is just that, that they are clones. From what I've read, the problem is that RHEL will often make changes to suit their various enterprise customers, for example I seem to recall reading somewhere that OpenSSL was one of many things "touched" in that way. I hear many good things about DNF vs apt, but I'm too worried by the skeletons in the clone cupboard.

count 3y ago

RHEL saying '8' or '9' is supported for 10 years is misleading af. Each 'minor version' (which are, in fact, sometimes large changes!) is supported for it's own specific time period. Odd numbered (8.5, 8.7) for example are only supported for 6 months. https://access.redhat.com/sites/default/files/images/337_rhel_9_life_cycle_updates_0423.png https://access.redhat.com/sites/default/files/images/337_rhe... It's terrifying actually.

axus 3y ago
Yep, the "10 year support" for 8.8 means that you'll upgrade to 8.10 (to-be-released) and then that will be supported for the rest of the duration.

sofixa 3y ago

> often ship with "more modern" server software than Debian does That's not really true. They often ship with Red Hat specific software (like Podman is) replacing widely used software (e.g. Docker, to which Podman still isn't feature complete even though it has been shoved in everyone's throats for a couple of years now), but "more modern" will vary wildly based on the release date.