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How are these terms a slur, exactly? They just describe a property of being.

by lusus_naturae 3y ago

theandrewbailey 3y ago
Most slurs started as describing a property of being, but over time began to be perceived as something else.
- nickthegreek 3y ago
  This isnt one of them.
smoldesu 3y ago
They offend Elon's free speech sensibilities.
hirundo 3y ago
I haven't heard "cis" deployed as a slur, but "incel" seems to be predominantly used that way. Isn't it also a property of being?
- Timon3 3y ago
  It's not an intrinsic property, as it only comes into existence due to social interactions. An individual, viewed fully removed from all other humans, can be cis or trans, but they can only be involuntarily celibate in the context of a society.
rsynnott 3y ago
I assume it's a bit like how a few straight people used to object to the term 'straight', generally complaining that they were just 'normal' people (haven't seen this in years, but it was big in the nineties and early noughties from the more over-sensitive corners of the right wing). Though arguably even more absurd; 'cisgender' is the rough equivalent to the rather dry technical term 'heterosexual', and I've never heard of anyone objecting to _that_. It's not even slang! "Cisgender" is obviously not a slur, come on, but this is Saint Car we're talking about; one shouldn't necessarily expect things to make sense. (One wonders how he thinks people _should_ describe non-trans people).
- a_shovel 3y ago
  "A bit like" is underselling it. It is that. Occasionally, I politely ask people objecting to the term "cis" what word they would prefer I use instead. I've had people directly tell me I should refer to cis people as "normal". Another, much more interesting response I've gotten multiple times is that I should use "man/woman" instead of "cis". Which implies that transgender people either don't exist, or don't belong to either category.
  - rsynnott 3y ago
    > Which implies that transgender people either don't exist, or don't belong to either category. Which is a bit odd, as the same general sort of people seem to believe it is just the _height_ of wit to refer to trans women as men.
- zimpenfish 3y ago
  > 'cisgender' is the rough equivalent to the rather dry technical term 'heterosexual' I'm pretty sure 'cisgender' means "identifies as birth gender" and has no connection to your sexual preferences (hence 'cishet' being 'identifies as birth gender, attracted to opposite gender'.)
  - rsynnott 3y ago
    What I mean is that it's not even slang (as "straight", which some heterosexuals used to take offence to, is); it's about as dry a description of non-trans people as we have in English.
jkr_fan 3y ago
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lamontcg 3y ago
Projection. If you use trans as a slur you think cis is a slur.
credit_guy 3y ago
In the context they were used, I can see how they can be considered a slur. The context was that some people were calling someone a "cissy". https://twitter.com/UKHomosexual/status/1671428042072129537/photo/1 https://twitter.com/UKHomosexual/status/1671428042072129537/...

How are these terms a slur, exactly? They just describe a property of being.

theandrewbailey 3y ago

Most slurs started as describing a property of being, but over time began to be perceived as something else.

nickthegreek 3y ago
This isnt one of them.

smoldesu 3y ago

They offend Elon's free speech sensibilities.

hirundo 3y ago

I haven't heard "cis" deployed as a slur, but "incel" seems to be predominantly used that way. Isn't it also a property of being?

Timon3 3y ago
It's not an intrinsic property, as it only comes into existence due to social interactions. An individual, viewed fully removed from all other humans, can be cis or trans, but they can only be involuntarily celibate in the context of a society.

rsynnott 3y ago

I assume it's a bit like how a few straight people used to object to the term 'straight', generally complaining that they were just 'normal' people (haven't seen this in years, but it was big in the nineties and early noughties from the more over-sensitive corners of the right wing). Though arguably even more absurd; 'cisgender' is the rough equivalent to the rather dry technical term 'heterosexual', and I've never heard of anyone objecting to _that_. It's not even slang! "Cisgender" is obviously not a slur, come on, but this is Saint Car we're talking about; one shouldn't necessarily expect things to make sense. (One wonders how he thinks people _should_ describe non-trans people).

a_shovel 3y ago
"A bit like" is underselling it. It is that. Occasionally, I politely ask people objecting to the term "cis" what word they would prefer I use instead. I've had people directly tell me I should refer to cis people as "normal". Another, much more interesting response I've gotten multiple times is that I should use "man/woman" instead of "cis". Which implies that transgender people either don't exist, or don't belong to either category.
- rsynnott 3y ago
  > Which implies that transgender people either don't exist, or don't belong to either category. Which is a bit odd, as the same general sort of people seem to believe it is just the _height_ of wit to refer to trans women as men.
zimpenfish 3y ago
> 'cisgender' is the rough equivalent to the rather dry technical term 'heterosexual' I'm pretty sure 'cisgender' means "identifies as birth gender" and has no connection to your sexual preferences (hence 'cishet' being 'identifies as birth gender, attracted to opposite gender'.)
- rsynnott 3y ago
  What I mean is that it's not even slang (as "straight", which some heterosexuals used to take offence to, is); it's about as dry a description of non-trans people as we have in English.

jkr_fan 3y ago

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lamontcg 3y ago

Projection. If you use trans as a slur you think cis is a slur.

credit_guy 3y ago

In the context they were used, I can see how they can be considered a slur. The context was that some people were calling someone a "cissy". https://twitter.com/UKHomosexual/status/1671428042072129537/photo/1 https://twitter.com/UKHomosexual/status/1671428042072129537/...