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Do you have any actual idea if that's the case or are you just saying stuff? I've read that people reorganize information when they sleep, I wouldn't say that'

Do you have any actual idea if that's the case or are you just saying stuff? I've read that people reorganize information when they sleep, I wouldn't say that's "thinking".

batch12 3y ago
What about dreaming? I think when I dream, sometimes even finding solutions to problems for my woke self.
TeMPOraL 3y ago
Don't look at sleeping. Look at your inner voice, if you have one, and the back-and-forth you're doing with it. This is a form of thinking, and it is also clearly feeding your mind's output back into it as input.
- bamboozled 3y ago
  I have never heard an "inner voice" when sleeping or dreaming so I have on idea what you're referring too ? I'd say that inner voices are mostly stupid idiots :)
  - TeMPOraL 3y ago
    The "inner voice" isn't a sleeping thing, it's an awake thing. I guess you may be one of the presumably minority of people who doesn't have an inner narrative? I'm having a hard time imagining how this works, but then again, I'm aphantasic, and a lot of people have trouble imagining how that works too.
    - bamboozled 3y ago
      So in dreams you have conversations with yourself? Who are your Temporal? A researcher? Neurologist? Just a guy on the internet who reads a lot of comments?
zarzavat 3y ago
It was intended as philosophy (“just saying stuff”) rather than neuroscience. i.e. a black box rather than white box perspective on the mind. The point is that you don’t need a recent external environment to grow your knowledge in certain ways. For example, if you locked a sufficiently gifted and immortal mathematician in prison with no knowledge of the outside world after 2021, he can still prove new theorems forever afterwards (provided he has enough coffee). He doesn’t need access to recent mathematical results to keep proving theorems and growing his knowledge base - that’s simply an accelerant. In fact the longer he stays in prison, the more new theorems he can prove because he has ever more lemmas. Whereas if you locked a sufficiently gifted and immortal chemist in prison with no knowledge after 2021, she might be able to synthesize some new knowledge at first (meta analysis, etc), but eventually that would run dry and she wouldn’t be able to say anything new about chemistry anymore without any equipment.

Do you have any actual idea if that's the case or are you just saying stuff? I've read that people reorganize information when they sleep, I wouldn't say that's "thinking".

batch12 3y ago

What about dreaming? I think when I dream, sometimes even finding solutions to problems for my woke self.

TeMPOraL 3y ago

Don't look at sleeping. Look at your inner voice, if you have one, and the back-and-forth you're doing with it. This is a form of thinking, and it is also clearly feeding your mind's output back into it as input.

bamboozled 3y ago
I have never heard an "inner voice" when sleeping or dreaming so I have on idea what you're referring too ? I'd say that inner voices are mostly stupid idiots :)
- TeMPOraL 3y ago
  The "inner voice" isn't a sleeping thing, it's an awake thing. I guess you may be one of the presumably minority of people who doesn't have an inner narrative? I'm having a hard time imagining how this works, but then again, I'm aphantasic, and a lot of people have trouble imagining how that works too.
  - bamboozled 3y ago
    So in dreams you have conversations with yourself? Who are your Temporal? A researcher? Neurologist? Just a guy on the internet who reads a lot of comments?

zarzavat 3y ago

It was intended as philosophy (“just saying stuff”) rather than neuroscience. i.e. a black box rather than white box perspective on the mind. The point is that you don’t need a recent external environment to grow your knowledge in certain ways. For example, if you locked a sufficiently gifted and immortal mathematician in prison with no knowledge of the outside world after 2021, he can still prove new theorems forever afterwards (provided he has enough coffee). He doesn’t need access to recent mathematical results to keep proving theorems and growing his knowledge base - that’s simply an accelerant. In fact the longer he stays in prison, the more new theorems he can prove because he has ever more lemmas. Whereas if you locked a sufficiently gifted and immortal chemist in prison with no knowledge after 2021, she might be able to synthesize some new knowledge at first (meta analysis, etc), but eventually that would run dry and she wouldn’t be able to say anything new about chemistry anymore without any equipment.