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Soundwise those are quite poor copies. Behringer are hit and miss on this. They killed it with their Minimoog clones - very, very close to the real hardware -
by TheOtherHobbes 3y ago
Soundwise those are quite poor copies.
Behringer are hit and miss on this. They killed it with their Minimoog clones - very, very close to the real hardware - but not so much with some of their later efforts.
I have their Pro-One and their K2 and both lack the character and warmth of the originals. They sound like clones.
The P800, Solina and Kat all seem very good though.
People who accuse Behringer of cloning are missing the point.
They used to literally copy circuit traces and component BOMs. That's just outright theft. But they don't do that now.
The recent synths are clones in name only. They keep the panel graphics and functions but reimplement updates of the original circuits with SMD parts on new board layouts using a new industrial supply chain.
They have a deliberate policy of building reusable platforms so the development costs can be spread across multiple products.
All of that is innovative, and there's a lot more involved than copying an old circuit.
There is a psychopathic edge - like cloning MI's Plaits, which many suspect helped push Émilie out of the business, to everyone's loss. But it's not necessarily more psychopathic than (say) Roland's approach, which is to keep reselling versions of the same technology - often with the same samples - over and over at cash-grab prices for a couple of decades.
- JodieBenitez 3y ago> Soundwise those are quite poor copies. No they're not... at least on the clones I have, they nailed it. And yes I have the originals.
- TheOtherHobbes 3y agoSome people keep saying this, but I can hear a very clear difference. It's like people who say that Arturia's VSTs are exactly like the real thing - to which I can only say "Huh???"
- JodieBenitez 3y ago"differences" is not the same as "poor copies". You can even hear differences between different exemplar of the same analog synth, depending on components selection, calibration, age, etc.
- musictubes 3y agoClassic analog synths rarely sounded exactly like other copies of themselves. There was quite a large variation from device to device. I anticipate the Behringer stuff to be more consistent. As far as how close they sound it will depend on the particular example of classic synth you compare it to.
- x3874 3y ago> There is a psychopathic edge - like cloning MI's Plaits, which many suspect helped push Émilie out of the business, to everyone's loss. Thats quite some... BS. Gillet intented to exit the audio hardware industry in search of different, greener pastures already way before Brains was released. Also MI code is public, so 'cloning' is a stretch. MI designs were and are being produced by multiple shops.
- rjh29 3y agoBehringer attracts more attention. Arturia used MI code in the MicroFreak and falsely claimed they had Gillet's blessing, nobody cared. Arturia make VST clones of every popular synth out and charge $500, nobody cares. Behringer makes an affortable version of the Model D because Moog never bothered to and people complain.
- TheOtherHobbes 3y agoMaybe. Brains was announced in 2021. Gillet quit in 2022. I know the designs are open source and produced elsewhere, but it's not unreasonable to wonder if Brains was what finally pushed her over the edge.
- x3874 3y agoHere we go again. I saw this coming: https://www.gearnews.com/mutable-instruments-no-new-modules-and-production-shutting-down/ https://www.gearnews.com/mutable-instruments-no-new-modules-... Yes, Gillet has a history announcing ceasing development and production. Just read 'Have we been here before?', and also the last comment. I bet people already asked Gillet directly if B's announcement contributed. I don't know, a) i don't care about vendor / personality cults, and b) their forums are gone.
- eweise 3y agoMy 2600 sounds incredible although I have no idea whether its sounds like the original. I also have their Neutron which is a great original design. I hope they focus more on original designs in the future.