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they reject all the contrary evidence as "mainstream government funded research that lies to you" so there is no proof of evidence that would make it work

brutusborn 3y ago
This generalisation is simply false. I know well educated people who are skeptical of vaccines for sophisticated epistemological reasons such as disagreements over things like what effect sizes are considered significant. Painting this broad brush is not useful or based on evidence, it is simply the mainstream narrative.
- majormajor 3y ago
  > I know well educated people who are skeptical of vaccines for sophisticated epistemological reasons such as disagreements over things like what effect sizes are considered significant. But that doesn't sound like something that would be changed one bit by doing serious research into lunatic conspiracy theories like microchips for tracking in covid vacines... Are there any actual examples of "serious research" into "lunatic conspiracy theories" (lunatic here being your word) changing the minds of people buying into those theories?
  - jonhohle 3y ago
    IMHO, the problem is the gradient across complete confidence in the safety of x, concern about the safety of x, doubt about the safety of x, and assuredness about the evil ulterior motives of x. I’m just as worried about anyone with complete confidence as I am someone who immediately assumes evil ulterior motives. Over time, the probability of one having a medical procedure with overpromised outcomes or under-disclosed side effects approaches 100%.
- watwut 3y ago
  And there is no amount of research or evidence or debate that will change their mind. It is literally same thing, just more sophisticated
  - mistermann 3y ago
    Do you think there's any amount of research or evidence or debate that could make Normies aware that the sensation of omniscience that they experience when contemplating the nature of the individual members of their abstract conceptual outhroups is actually just a clever trick played on them by consciousness + cultural shortcomings? Personally, I happen to believe there is, and I bet it might even be way easier to do than it may seem.
- weaksauce 3y ago
  I am a very well educated person that is skeptical of vaccine efficacy and safety before the trials were done since it was fast. reading the trial data convinced me it was as safe as any drug you take. I don't like taking unnecessary drugs and avoid pain pills until it's unbearable. what you present is an anecdote of a few skeptics that are educated but it's by and large not the majority of these people that can't be swayed with evidence to the contrary. painting with this broad brush is based on evidence.

brutusborn 3y ago

This generalisation is simply false. I know well educated people who are skeptical of vaccines for sophisticated epistemological reasons such as disagreements over things like what effect sizes are considered significant. Painting this broad brush is not useful or based on evidence, it is simply the mainstream narrative.

majormajor 3y ago
> I know well educated people who are skeptical of vaccines for sophisticated epistemological reasons such as disagreements over things like what effect sizes are considered significant. But that doesn't sound like something that would be changed one bit by doing serious research into lunatic conspiracy theories like microchips for tracking in covid vacines... Are there any actual examples of "serious research" into "lunatic conspiracy theories" (lunatic here being your word) changing the minds of people buying into those theories?
- jonhohle 3y ago
  IMHO, the problem is the gradient across complete confidence in the safety of x, concern about the safety of x, doubt about the safety of x, and assuredness about the evil ulterior motives of x. I’m just as worried about anyone with complete confidence as I am someone who immediately assumes evil ulterior motives. Over time, the probability of one having a medical procedure with overpromised outcomes or under-disclosed side effects approaches 100%.
watwut 3y ago
And there is no amount of research or evidence or debate that will change their mind. It is literally same thing, just more sophisticated
- mistermann 3y ago
  Do you think there's any amount of research or evidence or debate that could make Normies aware that the sensation of omniscience that they experience when contemplating the nature of the individual members of their abstract conceptual outhroups is actually just a clever trick played on them by consciousness + cultural shortcomings? Personally, I happen to believe there is, and I bet it might even be way easier to do than it may seem.
weaksauce 3y ago
I am a very well educated person that is skeptical of vaccine efficacy and safety before the trials were done since it was fast. reading the trial data convinced me it was as safe as any drug you take. I don't like taking unnecessary drugs and avoid pain pills until it's unbearable. what you present is an anecdote of a few skeptics that are educated but it's by and large not the majority of these people that can't be swayed with evidence to the contrary. painting with this broad brush is based on evidence.