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The facts emerged. You called my posts "lies", "hate", "garbage" and "antisemitism" and made claims backed with no references. I provided references to Israe

by ucee054 15y ago

The facts emerged. You called my posts "lies", "hate", "garbage" and "antisemitism" and made claims backed with no references. I provided references to Israeli and Jewish sources that any reader can check. Here are some more: http://www.icahd.org/ http://www.icahd.org/ http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/politics/auschwitz-survivor-israel-acts-like-nazis-1.1000918 http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/politics/auschwitz-surviv... http://www.zochrot.org/en http://www.zochrot.org/en http://mondoweiss.net/ http://mondoweiss.net/

berntb 15y ago
In the GP, I wrote about your claims about a whole country, based on some T-shirts. That showed you to be a totally non-serious debater, ucee054. You can't answer that (for the fourth time), so you link to an 86 year old individual and some activist organisations?! Sad. You can't even admit failure, afterwards. You know the other side is evil. What now? You'll lie? Here is a link to my first comment. You could maybe delete the parent? http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3637264 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3637264 Also, your claim that it is possible to debate this subjects with fanatics is proven wrong. QED. Edit: Since you don't seem to know it, you can find groups having most any opinion in a democracy. So activist web sites is not exactly the best support.
- ucee054 15y ago
  You said "the glorifying of bombing/shooting children at close range. (No, it is not the Israeli side that do that.)" Thereby condemning the whole Palestinian "side" on the basis of unspecified "people". I pointed out that the Israeli side do do that too. You then claimed it was only "some" Israelis. I pointed out that in fact it was the people pulling the trigger. And I provided references. And I never claimed that every Israeli glorified that; in fact I have referenced Israelis who do not. So in fact I have nothing to answer you for. However, you have to answer for smearing the entire Palestinian side without providing a single reference. Apart from unsubstantiated assertions, the information content of your posts has been nil. I will charitably presume that you meant to condemn Hamas. In that case, let the facts against Hamas stand. And let the facts stand about the Israeli destruction of Palestinian infrastructure - which was the original topic. Readers are smart enough to make up their own minds. I don't need to "debate" you point by point, especially since you go off topic and into ad-hominems. And Hacker News doesn't need your permission to cover topics you are uncomfortable about.
  - berntb 15y ago
    >>condemning the whole Palestinian "side" on the basis of unspecified "people" It is policy/tactics from the Palestinian side to use terror. Not only Hamas. And glorifying murder of children at close range, etc. You compared that with some T-shirts of individuals... But you know exactly what I meant. I stopped reading after you were dishonest in the first paragraph.
    - berntb 15y ago
      I wrote: >>But you know exactly what I meant. In fact, I wrote the same thing one day earlier to ucee054. See second half of this: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3638221 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3638221
    - ucee054 15y ago
      Are you trying to claim that all Palestinians are terrorists, and there is not a single innocent person amongst them? Because I can think of plenty: It is the policy of Palestinian civil society, including over 170 NGOs, to resist by non-violent means, specifically Boycott Divestment and Sanctions Links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott,_Divestment_and_Sanctions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott,_Divestment_and_Sanctio... http://www.bdsmovement.net/ http://www.bdsmovement.net/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Barghouti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Barghouti
      - berntb 15y ago
        >>Are you trying to claim that all Palestinians are terrorists You assumed I wouldn't check back a few days later, so you could safely add another dishonest strawman attack? Already in the brother comment to yours, I gave a link to one of my comments which answer this latest strawman. The relevant quote from it: You do realize that there is a difference between an official policy (mural paintings and celebrations when children are murdered with a knife in their sleep, etc) -- and the attitudes of individuals.
        ucee054 15y ago

by ucee054 15y ago

berntb 15y ago

In the GP, I wrote about your claims about a whole country, based on some T-shirts. That showed you to be a totally non-serious debater, ucee054. You can't answer that (for the fourth time), so you link to an 86 year old individual and some activist organisations?! Sad. You can't even admit failure, afterwards. You know the other side is evil. What now? You'll lie? Here is a link to my first comment. You could maybe delete the parent? http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3637264 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3637264 Also, your claim that it is possible to debate this subjects with fanatics is proven wrong. QED. Edit: Since you don't seem to know it, you can find groups having most any opinion in a democracy. So activist web sites is not exactly the best support.

ucee054 15y ago
You said "the glorifying of bombing/shooting children at close range. (No, it is not the Israeli side that do that.)" Thereby condemning the whole Palestinian "side" on the basis of unspecified "people". I pointed out that the Israeli side do do that too. You then claimed it was only "some" Israelis. I pointed out that in fact it was the people pulling the trigger. And I provided references. And I never claimed that every Israeli glorified that; in fact I have referenced Israelis who do not. So in fact I have nothing to answer you for. However, you have to answer for smearing the entire Palestinian side without providing a single reference. Apart from unsubstantiated assertions, the information content of your posts has been nil. I will charitably presume that you meant to condemn Hamas. In that case, let the facts against Hamas stand. And let the facts stand about the Israeli destruction of Palestinian infrastructure - which was the original topic. Readers are smart enough to make up their own minds. I don't need to "debate" you point by point, especially since you go off topic and into ad-hominems. And Hacker News doesn't need your permission to cover topics you are uncomfortable about.
- berntb 15y ago
  >>condemning the whole Palestinian "side" on the basis of unspecified "people" It is policy/tactics from the Palestinian side to use terror. Not only Hamas. And glorifying murder of children at close range, etc. You compared that with some T-shirts of individuals... But you know exactly what I meant. I stopped reading after you were dishonest in the first paragraph.
  - berntb 15y ago
    I wrote: >>But you know exactly what I meant. In fact, I wrote the same thing one day earlier to ucee054. See second half of this: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3638221 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3638221
  - ucee054 15y ago
    Are you trying to claim that all Palestinians are terrorists, and there is not a single innocent person amongst them? Because I can think of plenty: It is the policy of Palestinian civil society, including over 170 NGOs, to resist by non-violent means, specifically Boycott Divestment and Sanctions Links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott,_Divestment_and_Sanctions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boycott,_Divestment_and_Sanctio... http://www.bdsmovement.net/ http://www.bdsmovement.net/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Barghouti http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Barghouti
    - berntb 15y ago
      >>Are you trying to claim that all Palestinians are terrorists You assumed I wouldn't check back a few days later, so you could safely add another dishonest strawman attack? Already in the brother comment to yours, I gave a link to one of my comments which answer this latest strawman. The relevant quote from it: You do realize that there is a difference between an official policy (mural paintings and celebrations when children are murdered with a knife in their sleep, etc) -- and the attitudes of individuals.
      - ucee054 15y ago