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If you’re driving you just can’t focus on scenery period, no matter how many cars you’re stuck behind. Whenever I ride as a passenger on roads I drive every da

If you’re driving you just can’t focus on scenery period, no matter how many cars you’re stuck behind. Whenever I ride as a passenger on roads I drive every day, I’m amazed at the details outside that I don’t see when I’m driving. Just keeping a car on a road with no traffic takes a fair amount of focus: for evidence, just see how many people don’t do it and plow into objects that are alongside the road.

boring_twenties 3y ago
Some cars can reliably keep themselves on the road nowadays.
mindslight 3y ago
These kind of comments trying to invoke some tangential hobby horse ("safe driving") by taking a word out of context are soooo web forum. Obviously, driving requires attention and is always one's main focus. Having driven various sizes of vehicles, it's quite clear that this amount of attention varies. For example, the sheer amount of work required to drive a 26 foot box truck gave me a healthy respect for truck drivers. On the original topic, I'd imagine a lot of RV drivers don't pull over or are actively hostile to being passed because they're so overwhelmed they don't want to pile on any more requirements. And while this means that they should be taking the opportunity to stop and recover, try telling someone who is drowning to stop thrashing. Piloting a 2500 lb manual coupe barefoot in a non-wooded area on an empty road requires the lowest amount of work I've experienced. Driving that same car while having to continually gauge how hard the person in front of you is applying the brakes takes much more. Braking extra and creating more buffer room gives a slight reprieve, but at the ailing speeds ruined views tend to go on non-straight roads you'll inevitably catch right back up.
- massysett 3y ago
  The person driving the RV that you're complaining about has just as much right to enjoy the national park as you do. My point is that if you want to enjoy the scenery, you need to get out of the driver's seat.
  - mindslight 3y ago
    > The person driving the RV that you're complaining about has just as much right to enjoy the national park as you do This makes no sense. If someone was blasting a trunk-shaking car stereo and I was complaining about that instead, would you say they had just as much right to "enjoy the national park" ? How about someone using a dirtbike on a trail? The way we keep these things enjoyable is by setting standards. And the examples that come to mind are roads where the prevailing speed was something like 35-40mph, but these big rigs were clogging them up at 15-20mph. > My point is that if you want to enjoy the scenery, you need to get out of the driver's seat. This is obviously false. Even the park maps point out scenic driving routes.

boring_twenties 3y ago

Some cars can reliably keep themselves on the road nowadays.

mindslight 3y ago

These kind of comments trying to invoke some tangential hobby horse ("safe driving") by taking a word out of context are soooo web forum. Obviously, driving requires attention and is always one's main focus. Having driven various sizes of vehicles, it's quite clear that this amount of attention varies. For example, the sheer amount of work required to drive a 26 foot box truck gave me a healthy respect for truck drivers. On the original topic, I'd imagine a lot of RV drivers don't pull over or are actively hostile to being passed because they're so overwhelmed they don't want to pile on any more requirements. And while this means that they should be taking the opportunity to stop and recover, try telling someone who is drowning to stop thrashing. Piloting a 2500 lb manual coupe barefoot in a non-wooded area on an empty road requires the lowest amount of work I've experienced. Driving that same car while having to continually gauge how hard the person in front of you is applying the brakes takes much more. Braking extra and creating more buffer room gives a slight reprieve, but at the ailing speeds ruined views tend to go on non-straight roads you'll inevitably catch right back up.

massysett 3y ago
The person driving the RV that you're complaining about has just as much right to enjoy the national park as you do. My point is that if you want to enjoy the scenery, you need to get out of the driver's seat.
- mindslight 3y ago
  > The person driving the RV that you're complaining about has just as much right to enjoy the national park as you do This makes no sense. If someone was blasting a trunk-shaking car stereo and I was complaining about that instead, would you say they had just as much right to "enjoy the national park" ? How about someone using a dirtbike on a trail? The way we keep these things enjoyable is by setting standards. And the examples that come to mind are roads where the prevailing speed was something like 35-40mph, but these big rigs were clogging them up at 15-20mph. > My point is that if you want to enjoy the scenery, you need to get out of the driver's seat. This is obviously false. Even the park maps point out scenic driving routes.