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> Lochridge discovered the viewing window on front of sub "was only built to a certified pressure of 1,300 meters, although OceanGate intended to take passenger
by kingTug 3y ago
> Lochridge discovered the viewing window on front of sub "was only built to a certified pressure of 1,300 meters, although OceanGate intended to take passengers...to...4,000 meters...OceanGate refused to pay...to build a viewport that would meet the required depth of 4,000 meters."
Previously unseen levels of "I told you man, I warned you" here.
- hindsightbias 3y ago[flagged]
- bambax 3y agoNot only is the Titanic not enough, but that thing was named after it! It was called "Titan"! They must have thought Titanic was a diminutive, if they only kept the Titan part then they would actually be invincible. But it wasn't enough to fool fate.
- LightBug1 3y agoFate, it seems, is not without a sense of ...
- sho_hn 3y agoTo be fair, this is all extremely cynical while we don't actually know what happened.
- LightBug1 3y agoYou're right ... I had to stop myself from asking when the movie will be released ... * forgive me, Lord *
- Ambroos 3y agoIs there any way for this to end (other than sabotage and other outlandish options) in which this was not caused by a company trying to make money in an extremely unsafe way?
- sho_hn 3y agoYou may be right in a colloquial sense, but it's an engineering forum, you know? If someone dies while skydiving you could argue they were doing something risky-unsafe and unnecessary and had it coming, too, but as an engineer I'd still want to know why the chute didn't release, whether it was actually predictable, and how to fix it. This may absolutely make a great tale about hubris one day, if we ever find out.
- Ambroos 3y agoI agree, but the whole set-up seems to have so many massive safety issues that it seems like they were relying on pure dumb luck more than anything else. This feels more like someone went skydiving with a homemade parachute in strong winds above an active volcano.
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- anigbrowl 3y agoConversely, if we can't find out (eg the wreck isn't located, or is so damaged we can't be sure) then a probabilistic assessment is the best we can do. Refusing to speculate at all essentially gives a pass to predictable failures.
- sho_hn 3y agoSure. I wasn't advocating we shouldn't speculate, but gloating seems a bit early.
- rurp 3y agoIf it turned out that the failed parachute had a history of using and misusing a number of cheap parts that weren't up to spec, I'm not sure there would be much of interest left to speculate about. In this case, OceanGate has a well documented history of making poor and reckless engineering decisions. The fact that things went horribly wrong is probably related to one of the many corners they cut. It will be interesting if/when we get more solid information but until then most of the speculation seems pretty on point to me.
- tpm 3y agoIf neither Titanic nor Titan were invincible, the mighty Tit surely will be.
- napsterbr 3y agoI'll be on board of T!
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- RajT88 3y agoWhat's wild is there was a book written 14 years before, featuring the same basic scenario with almost the same name as the ship, the Titan: https://www.mentalfloss.com/posts/novel-predicted-titanic-disaster https://www.mentalfloss.com/posts/novel-predicted-titanic-di... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wreck_of_the_Titan:_Or,_Futility https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wreck_of_the_Titan:_Or,_Fu...
- 634636346 3y agoThe Titans were overthrown by the Olympians.
- ClumsyPilot 3y agoWhat good is it at the sea floor? It needs to be raised, and placed on Wall Street for all to see.
- appleflaxen 3y agoCan't we seems wall street to them?
- selimthegrim 3y agoLooks like Hollywood and Clive Cussler beat you to that one too
- euroderf 3y agoBig Underwater Monument to Capitalistic Hubris and Small Underwater Monument to Capitalistic Hubris
- Rapzid 3y ago2030 Titanic tours: Add Titan visit for just 20% more!
- londons_explore 3y agoThing is... The CEO is aboard the missing submersible. That same CEO who presumably wouldn't pay for a proper window... This wasn't only a case of a CEO putting other lives at risk for profits... This was a case of a CEO putting his own life on the line for profits he will likely never see...
- mrguyorama 3y agoCEOs sniff their own abysmally stupid farts all the time. When trying to sell something, the first person you have to trick is yourself, but that does NOT indemnify them for harming others. Getting people killed because you are too stupid to understand basic risk concepts shouldn't be acceptable. Power should come with responsibility and accountability ESPECIALLY if you are not responsible or accountable.
- AdamJacobMuller 3y agoIt seems like the CEO here did pay the ultimate price of responsibility and accountability.
- mrguyorama 3y agoThere's gotta be a middle ground between doing whatever with no repercussions and literally dying by your own stupidity.
- dang 3y ago"When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. 'That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3' can be shortened to '1 + 1 is 2, not 3." "Please don't fulminate." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- mrguyorama 3y agoIs CEO a protected class now?
- coldcode 3y agoWell built or not (clearly not) you could not pay me enough to be bolted into a carbon cylinder going down 4000 meters. Given the whistle blower this company has no hope of surviving any lawsuits, even if the victims (passengers) signed away their rights.
- hotpotamus 3y agoI don't know what a lawsuit would hope to gain - given that the CEO and the company's main asset are gone, I doubt there's much of a company left to sue.
- jacurtis 3y agoThe carbon fiber tube is also sealed from the outside by 10 inch long bolts. There is no way to open it from the inside (not that it really matters at 13,000 ft deep), just to add to the terror. Yeah, I'm happy to enjoy the views of Titanic wreckage from 4k video footage taken by robot subs, while viewing it in my underwear in front of a 70" OLED tv. In a few years I will probably be able to don a VR headset and swim around the titanic in VR. I'm satisfied with that alternative.
- randomNumber7 3y agoIf you look at the pictures linked in the arstechnica article, you can see they used screws in the _carbon_ _fiber_ _hull_ to fix a monitor and lights. They are really up there with boeing to compete for a price in malicious stupidity.
- poly_morphis 3y agoI was wondering about that. What would be the proper way of doing it? Perhaps glue…but then you have the screws that hold on the titanium caps. Maybe carbon fiber in general wasn’t a good choice. Edit: Actually I’m wrong. The hatch is bolted on to a titanium ring, which is glued to the carbon fiber body. So no hatch screws in the carbon fiber. [0] [0]: https://youtu.be/4dka29FSZac?t=245 https://youtu.be/4dka29FSZac?t=245
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- johndhi 3y agoI'm usually the first to look at how to defend engineers' decisions when building something that failed... But it's very hard for me to imagine how this can be OK. had they tested it at lower depths before?
- pbourke 3y agoIt had made several dives to the Titanic in 2022
- omniglottal 3y agoNot this model...