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> ...does the us actively attempt to do anything to Snowden or Assange - besides arrest them in the open? I doubt it. "According to former intelligence officia

> ...does the us actively attempt to do anything to Snowden or Assange - besides arrest them in the open? I doubt it. "According to former intelligence officials, in the wake of the Vault 7 leaks, the CIA talked about kidnapping Assange from Ecuador's London embassy, and some senior officials discussed his potential assassination." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange

throwawaymaths 3y ago
Did they do it, though? Talk is cheap, man.
- sillystuff 3y ago
  The CIA has engaged extensively in assassination and torture for the better part of the last century. Over 600 assassination attempts against Fidel Castro alone for the crime of not kowtowing to all US demands (Fidel originally tried to ally with US not the Soviet Union, but was rebuffed by the US because redistributing foreign owned/stolen land was central to Fidel's central policy of lifting ordinary Cuban's out of poverty); also, since the Spanish-American war, the US viewed Cuba as something of a colony, and was unwilling to treat it as a peer. More apropos, the US also kept "accidentally" bombing Al Jazeera newsrooms during the US unprovoked war of aggression in Iraq. Coincidentally, Al Jazeera were some of the only reporters who went independently into the field to report on US war crimes. The US was given the coordinates of the Al Jazeera Offices, so the US knew what they were bombing (each of multiple times). I was subjected to the same bullshit K-12 hero worship "history" lessons and other US propaganda as I suspect you were/are. As a child we moved to a country where the US overthrew the democratically elected government and installed a far-right brutal murderous dictatorship (in support of a US corporation's rape of the country). This led to civil war (which I experienced first-hand; the US providing support to the oppressive government regime during the decades long war). We moved back to the US before the genocide began (the US providing support; Ronald Regan even personally meeting with the General primarily responsible for executing the genocide). This experience forced me to confront the lies we are told in the US. Do what you want, but I'd suggest reading university level historical accounts (even those published in the US), they are much more accurate with far less/no hero worship. Also, listening/reading to foreign news sources is useful to help break through the propaganda our corporate news sources feed us here. The process is similar to being de-programmed from a cult, and the ultra patriots chanting, "USA, USA, USA..." have drank the Kool-Aid. Good luck!
  - throwawaymaths 3y ago
    Cool story bro. Thanks for assuming I'm an idiot. Fidel did declare war on the US, so I'd say that ethically speaking that made him a legitimate target. Yes, the US had a pragmatic policy of "we don't assassinate" (nominally because we don't want our president to be the target of assassination), so I will concede that it's a tad hypocritical. A better example would have been like dole wars, or maybe tacit support of pinochet but that's kinda dated and the US is definitely trending towards less of that shit. If china's like "well the US did it so it should be ok for us", the correct response is: yeah, so? Be better.

throwawaymaths 3y ago

Did they do it, though? Talk is cheap, man.

sillystuff 3y ago
The CIA has engaged extensively in assassination and torture for the better part of the last century. Over 600 assassination attempts against Fidel Castro alone for the crime of not kowtowing to all US demands (Fidel originally tried to ally with US not the Soviet Union, but was rebuffed by the US because redistributing foreign owned/stolen land was central to Fidel's central policy of lifting ordinary Cuban's out of poverty); also, since the Spanish-American war, the US viewed Cuba as something of a colony, and was unwilling to treat it as a peer. More apropos, the US also kept "accidentally" bombing Al Jazeera newsrooms during the US unprovoked war of aggression in Iraq. Coincidentally, Al Jazeera were some of the only reporters who went independently into the field to report on US war crimes. The US was given the coordinates of the Al Jazeera Offices, so the US knew what they were bombing (each of multiple times). I was subjected to the same bullshit K-12 hero worship "history" lessons and other US propaganda as I suspect you were/are. As a child we moved to a country where the US overthrew the democratically elected government and installed a far-right brutal murderous dictatorship (in support of a US corporation's rape of the country). This led to civil war (which I experienced first-hand; the US providing support to the oppressive government regime during the decades long war). We moved back to the US before the genocide began (the US providing support; Ronald Regan even personally meeting with the General primarily responsible for executing the genocide). This experience forced me to confront the lies we are told in the US. Do what you want, but I'd suggest reading university level historical accounts (even those published in the US), they are much more accurate with far less/no hero worship. Also, listening/reading to foreign news sources is useful to help break through the propaganda our corporate news sources feed us here. The process is similar to being de-programmed from a cult, and the ultra patriots chanting, "USA, USA, USA..." have drank the Kool-Aid. Good luck!
- throwawaymaths 3y ago
  Cool story bro. Thanks for assuming I'm an idiot. Fidel did declare war on the US, so I'd say that ethically speaking that made him a legitimate target. Yes, the US had a pragmatic policy of "we don't assassinate" (nominally because we don't want our president to be the target of assassination), so I will concede that it's a tad hypocritical. A better example would have been like dole wars, or maybe tacit support of pinochet but that's kinda dated and the US is definitely trending towards less of that shit. If china's like "well the US did it so it should be ok for us", the correct response is: yeah, so? Be better.