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You're not going to get even close to Midjourney or even Bing quality on SD without finetuning. It's that simple. When you do finetune, it will be restricted to

You're not going to get even close to Midjourney or even Bing quality on SD without finetuning. It's that simple. When you do finetune, it will be restricted to that aesthetic and you won't get the same prompt understanding or adherence. For all the promise of control and customization SD boasts, Midjourney beats it hands down in sheer quality. There's a reason like 99% of ai art comic creators stick to Midjourney despite the control handicap.

SV_BubbleTime 3y ago
You load a model and have 6 sliders instead of one… it’s not exactly “fine tuning”. If you want the power, it’s there. But nearly bone stock SD in auto1111 is going to get to any of these examples easily. Show me the civitai equivalent for MJ or Dalle2. It doesn’t exist.
- famouswaffles 3y ago
  >You load a model and have 6 sliders instead of one… it’s not exactly “fine tuning”. Ok...? Read what i wrote carefully. Your 6 sliders won't produce better images than midjourney for your prompt on the base SD model.
chankstein38 3y ago
I feel like people shouldn't talk in definitives if their message is just going to demonstrate they have no idea what they're talking about.
- famouswaffles 3y ago
  I know what i'm talking about lol. I tuned a custom SD model that's downloaded thousands of times a month. I'm speaking from experience more than anything. Don't know why some SD users get so defensive.
orbital-decay 3y ago
Yet you are posting this in a thread where GP provided actual examples of the opposite. Look for another comment above/below, there are MJ-generated samples which are comparable but also less coherent than the result from a much smaller SD model. And in case of MJ hallucinations cannot be fixed. MJ is good but it isn't magic, it just provides quick results with little experience required; prompt understanding is still poor, and will stay poor until it's paired with a good LLM. Neither of the existing models gives actually passable production-quality results, be it MJ or SD or whatever else. It will be quite some time until they get out of the uncanny valley. > There's a reason like 99% of ai art comic creators stick to Midjourney They aren't. MJ is mostly used by people without experience, think a journalist who needs a picture for an article. Which is great and it's what makes them good money. As a matter of fact (I work with artists), for all the surface-visible hate AI art gets in the artist community, many actual artists are using it more and more to automate certain mundane parts of their job to save time, and this is not MJ or Dall-E.
- famouswaffles 3y ago
  >Yet you are posting this in a thread where GP provided actual examples of the opposite. Opposite of what ? OP posts results from a tuned model.
  - orbital-decay 3y ago
    Opposite of this: >For all the promise of control and customization SD boasts, Midjourney beats it hands down in sheer quality. The results are comparable, but MJ in this comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36409043 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36409043 hallucinates more (look at the roofs in the second picture). And it cannot be fixed, maybe except for an upscale making it a bit more coherent. Until MJ obtains better tooling (which it might in the next iteration), it won't be as powerful. I'm not even starting on complex compositions, which it simply cannot do. >OP posts results from a tuned model. Yes, which is the first step you should do with SD, as it's a much smaller and less capable model.
  - zirgs 3y ago
    If course it's a tuned model. Why would anyone use stock SD these days?
zirgs 3y ago
Midjourney has a riduculously restrictive keyword filter. You should have mentioned that. Also I see nothing wrong with using different models for different purposes.

SV_BubbleTime 3y ago

You load a model and have 6 sliders instead of one… it’s not exactly “fine tuning”. If you want the power, it’s there. But nearly bone stock SD in auto1111 is going to get to any of these examples easily. Show me the civitai equivalent for MJ or Dalle2. It doesn’t exist.

famouswaffles 3y ago
>You load a model and have 6 sliders instead of one… it’s not exactly “fine tuning”. Ok...? Read what i wrote carefully. Your 6 sliders won't produce better images than midjourney for your prompt on the base SD model.

chankstein38 3y ago

I feel like people shouldn't talk in definitives if their message is just going to demonstrate they have no idea what they're talking about.

famouswaffles 3y ago
I know what i'm talking about lol. I tuned a custom SD model that's downloaded thousands of times a month. I'm speaking from experience more than anything. Don't know why some SD users get so defensive.

orbital-decay 3y ago

Yet you are posting this in a thread where GP provided actual examples of the opposite. Look for another comment above/below, there are MJ-generated samples which are comparable but also less coherent than the result from a much smaller SD model. And in case of MJ hallucinations cannot be fixed. MJ is good but it isn't magic, it just provides quick results with little experience required; prompt understanding is still poor, and will stay poor until it's paired with a good LLM. Neither of the existing models gives actually passable production-quality results, be it MJ or SD or whatever else. It will be quite some time until they get out of the uncanny valley. > There's a reason like 99% of ai art comic creators stick to Midjourney They aren't. MJ is mostly used by people without experience, think a journalist who needs a picture for an article. Which is great and it's what makes them good money. As a matter of fact (I work with artists), for all the surface-visible hate AI art gets in the artist community, many actual artists are using it more and more to automate certain mundane parts of their job to save time, and this is not MJ or Dall-E.

famouswaffles 3y ago
>Yet you are posting this in a thread where GP provided actual examples of the opposite. Opposite of what ? OP posts results from a tuned model.
- orbital-decay 3y ago
  Opposite of this: >For all the promise of control and customization SD boasts, Midjourney beats it hands down in sheer quality. The results are comparable, but MJ in this comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36409043 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36409043 hallucinates more (look at the roofs in the second picture). And it cannot be fixed, maybe except for an upscale making it a bit more coherent. Until MJ obtains better tooling (which it might in the next iteration), it won't be as powerful. I'm not even starting on complex compositions, which it simply cannot do. >OP posts results from a tuned model. Yes, which is the first step you should do with SD, as it's a much smaller and less capable model.
- zirgs 3y ago
  If course it's a tuned model. Why would anyone use stock SD these days?

zirgs 3y ago

Midjourney has a riduculously restrictive keyword filter. You should have mentioned that. Also I see nothing wrong with using different models for different purposes.