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I'm a "tankie" and my MO is to point out the millions lifted out of poverty in communist China and the fact that the Chinese are apparently a lot happier with t
by deciplex 3y ago
I'm a "tankie" and my MO is to point out the millions lifted out of poverty in communist China and the fact that the Chinese are apparently a lot happier with their government than Americans are with theirs. China is the workshop of the world and meanwhile much of the American heartland is a fentanyl-addicted hellscape with totally neglected physical and institutional infrastructure. That's pretty much all you have to do: material circumstances trump all and any communist understands this.
Of course China does spook shit. What are they supposed to do: refuse to do intelligence out of some misguided sense of morality so the CIA has free rein to do whatever they want, wherever they want, whenever they want? You might as well just assert that China's bad because they refuse to get owned by US intelligence - it's an equivalent sentiment.
- irusensei 3y agoThe country you are simping runs literal concentration camps.
- ch4s3 3y ago> I'm a "tankie" and my MO is to point out the millions lifted out of poverty in communist China Only after Deng's market based reforms in the 1980s. What do you have to say for their campaign of ethnic cleansing?
- nindalf 3y agoDuring the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution, Comrade deciplex was telling the cadres “lads, just wait till Mao kicks the bucket and Deng takes over. I’m telling you, the kid is special!”
- ch4s3 3y agoAhh yes the “Great Leap Forward”, the social experiment with a death toll of nearly 50 million. What a fantastic poverty relief program. The efficiency in murdering intellectuals and burning historical artifacts would make any ISIS commander blush.
- deciplex 3y agoI think you should read up on what Dengism actually is. You seem ignorant of it and the theory and intentions behind it. I'm surprised it worked, in the sense that they were able to harness market economics and capital accumulation without turning into a capitalist dictatorship like happened in the West. Even with the benefit of hindsight, I'm not sure how they managed to avoid that (there is still time for it to happen though!) but I'm happy for their success. > What do you have to say for their campaign of ethnic cleansing? Pretty much what most of the rest of the world has to say about it, I suppose.
- ch4s3 3y agoI've actually read quite a bit about it. My point is that China was starving under collectivization. You'd probably agree that "civil run enterprises" was a fig leaf, and it was basically just introducing markets. This is inarguable what lifted people out of poverty, not all of that psychotic shit Mao did.