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I don't use windows that much. My experience is with (mostly) Debian, some Ubuntu and less Red Hat/Fedora/Centos. Some VMS, some Solaris (which thankfully don

I don't use windows that much. My experience is with (mostly) Debian, some Ubuntu and less Red Hat/Fedora/Centos. Some VMS, some Solaris (which thankfully don't change that much.) I do not doubt there are people who enjoy macOS and do not use the features about which I am complaining. I am not saying they should be driven from their homes and publicly shamed (which some people seem to think I am doing.) I am saying there are more than a few people for which the current window manager does not work well. I am one of those people. The author of the article referenced is another of these people. I do not believe that either of them are you. I am not implying that macOS does not work for you. I do not have first hand experience with your use of macOS. But I am saying... theApple? window manager behavior is, in my opinion, sub-optimal and can be improved. I was not talking about the window manager behavior of windows or any of the myriad of Linux options. I was talking about the macOS window manager. It's the window manager on the Mac, which is a product produced by Apple. It is not the same as Linux or Windows which are developed and supported by different organizations. As for your assertion that people have not stolen ideas from "windows" I have some very bad news for you. It turns out that both Apple and Microsoft stole from other organizations. Mostly Xerox, some Tektronix, some from the Athena project. There's even a paper trail where apple says "hey. we'll let you buy apple stock cheap if you let us look at what you're doing at parc." And Xerox responds with "where do I sign!?" At one time Apple had the user interface research group that was the envy of the world: glass, tessler, etc. They got steved in '97 and replaced with an exceedingly talented designer who did not have a history of running user studies. And we got the "we know how you should do this" mentality. If you want to do things the way apple wants you to do them, then great. You should do them that way. But thinking that other people want to do things the way you want to do them is... well... it's probably the Apple way... which is why I don't buy apple products. Also... when was the last time someone stole an idea from apple?

nickelcitymario 3y ago
I think we got off on the wrong foot, and I'll take ownership of that. Love Debian and Ubuntu and most Linux distros. When I'm spending my own money on a machine for personal use, I always err on the side of a PC with a Linux distro. My main reason for using a Mac is it's the closest to a Linux box that still has support for the software I have to use every day -- i.e. mainly the Adobe suite. I also (selfishly) recommend Macs to most people because they hardly ever need to come running to me for IT support. I'm also not claiming Apple doesn't steal. They steal liberally. I am claiming, perhaps wrongly if you have good evidence, that people steal from Apple far more than anyone steals from Microsoft or any other tech company that I can think of. See the history of smartphones, tablets, and laptops for the past 20 years. From my perspective, it's been a history of Apple doing something different, and the industry blindly following them, even when it's not clear it's the right idea. (For example, I personally hate the now-ubiquitous camera notches on phones.) At a minimum, you have to concede Apple's design ethos is heavily stolen by virtually everyone. So much so that I would struggle to find a laptop or phone that didn't look like an Apple knock-off. As for the window manager, it works great for me. Doesn't work great for you. I think I can still maintain the assertion that they're simply different, with different priorities. Your priorities aren't wrong, but neither are those found in MacOS. They're just wrong for you. The Apple Way is very much "We've figured this stuff out so you don't have to." Of course, no solution is perfect for 100% of people. But I think they've done a better job than most at coming up with something that works really well for most people. I've never run into an issue that made me wonder how I could multitask on a Mac.

nickelcitymario 3y ago

I think we got off on the wrong foot, and I'll take ownership of that. Love Debian and Ubuntu and most Linux distros. When I'm spending my own money on a machine for personal use, I always err on the side of a PC with a Linux distro. My main reason for using a Mac is it's the closest to a Linux box that still has support for the software I have to use every day -- i.e. mainly the Adobe suite. I also (selfishly) recommend Macs to most people because they hardly ever need to come running to me for IT support. I'm also not claiming Apple doesn't steal. They steal liberally. I am claiming, perhaps wrongly if you have good evidence, that people steal from Apple far more than anyone steals from Microsoft or any other tech company that I can think of. See the history of smartphones, tablets, and laptops for the past 20 years. From my perspective, it's been a history of Apple doing something different, and the industry blindly following them, even when it's not clear it's the right idea. (For example, I personally hate the now-ubiquitous camera notches on phones.) At a minimum, you have to concede Apple's design ethos is heavily stolen by virtually everyone. So much so that I would struggle to find a laptop or phone that didn't look like an Apple knock-off. As for the window manager, it works great for me. Doesn't work great for you. I think I can still maintain the assertion that they're simply different, with different priorities. Your priorities aren't wrong, but neither are those found in MacOS. They're just wrong for you. The Apple Way is very much "We've figured this stuff out so you don't have to." Of course, no solution is perfect for 100% of people. But I think they've done a better job than most at coming up with something that works really well for most people. I've never run into an issue that made me wonder how I could multitask on a Mac.