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Sorry, "best by" dates are the strongest indicator I have that I'm not going to get a migraine after eating pantry food. If any given food was equal, the more I

by thadk 3y ago

Sorry, "best by" dates are the strongest indicator I have that I'm not going to get a migraine after eating pantry food. If any given food was equal, the more I push beyond the dates, the more severe they get. They're not perfect, but to my body, also clearly not meaningless. Consider that food producers are logically often already under ample pressure to set those dates in reasonable thresholds on both sides by their reputations and their own supply chain lags.

cycomanic 3y ago
Migraines from food after the use by date sounds like a strong psychosomatic effect. If you'd say upset stomach or diarrhea ok, but I'm not sure how it would trigger a migraine except psychologically. I'm not saying this to be dismissive. These effects can be incredibly strong, I could not eat pork cutlets for years after I had an extremely strong migraine when I ate one. After my body associated the smell and taste with it and noped out every time I got close to one.
- 1_karabear 3y ago
  This is likely a symptom of either histamine intolerance or Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (MCAS), which I have as a co-morbidity with another condition. Research around MCAS is in contention with two opposing camps, so published research is currently all over the place. For me it’s related to overactive mast cell degranulation triggering dysautonomia. Once the autonomic nervous system is dysregulated the symptom list becomes expansive. This is a pretty thorough paper on histamine intolerance specifically, and it discusses buildup of histamines in certain foods and associated symptoms. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7463562/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7463562/
- tylerag 3y ago
  Older food has more histamine in it.
  - techdragon 3y ago
    I have literally never heard of this before… I’d appreciate some links from anyone that knows more because my google results give me nothing but multivitamin and supplement spam/listicles when I try to search anything even close to histamine and food, and it’s also not easy to pick out relevant academic sources when histamines are researched as part of food anaphylaxis so I’ve got a mountain of non-relevant material to sift through there. If anyone has more information on this I’d be very interested to read it, because it’s landed firmly in the area of … sounds legitimate, but could also be modern “old wives tale” type of stuff where people just say it because it sounds scientific enough to be true and no one has ever researched it because it’s obviously wrong scientifically speaking but is addressed by unrelated fundamental knowledge in a scientific field Im not knowledgeable about such as industrial scale food science or something else. So yeah would greatly appreciate anything more knowledgeable people on the topic can share, this little throw away line nerd sniped me.
    - tylerag 3y ago
      I didn't post a link because I thought it would be easy to search for. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histamine_intolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histamine_intolerance https://duckduckgo.com/?q=low+histamine+diet&atb=v376-1&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=low+histamine+diet&atb=v376-1&ia=w... https://old.reddit.com/r/HistamineIntolerance/comments/cr9pf6/histamine_intolerence_introduction_and_help_with/ https://old.reddit.com/r/HistamineIntolerance/comments/cr9pf... https://www.mastzellaktivierung.info/downloads/foodlist/21_FoodList_EN_alphabetic_withCateg.pdf https://www.mastzellaktivierung.info/downloads/foodlist/21_F... Anecdotally, I've had major digestive issues my entire life. It's particularly frustrating because foods that are supposed to be extremely healthy (low fodmap! gluten free! whole 30!) are still bad for me. Following the last list I posted has actually helped. Although now that I think about it, the original poster's migraines could be caused by chemicals leaching out of the can liner.
ars 3y ago
I don't get how that would work given that best by dates are basically random.

by thadk 3y ago

cycomanic 3y ago

Migraines from food after the use by date sounds like a strong psychosomatic effect. If you'd say upset stomach or diarrhea ok, but I'm not sure how it would trigger a migraine except psychologically. I'm not saying this to be dismissive. These effects can be incredibly strong, I could not eat pork cutlets for years after I had an extremely strong migraine when I ate one. After my body associated the smell and taste with it and noped out every time I got close to one.

1_karabear 3y ago
This is likely a symptom of either histamine intolerance or Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (MCAS), which I have as a co-morbidity with another condition. Research around MCAS is in contention with two opposing camps, so published research is currently all over the place. For me it’s related to overactive mast cell degranulation triggering dysautonomia. Once the autonomic nervous system is dysregulated the symptom list becomes expansive. This is a pretty thorough paper on histamine intolerance specifically, and it discusses buildup of histamines in certain foods and associated symptoms. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7463562/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7463562/
tylerag 3y ago
Older food has more histamine in it.
- techdragon 3y ago
  I have literally never heard of this before… I’d appreciate some links from anyone that knows more because my google results give me nothing but multivitamin and supplement spam/listicles when I try to search anything even close to histamine and food, and it’s also not easy to pick out relevant academic sources when histamines are researched as part of food anaphylaxis so I’ve got a mountain of non-relevant material to sift through there. If anyone has more information on this I’d be very interested to read it, because it’s landed firmly in the area of … sounds legitimate, but could also be modern “old wives tale” type of stuff where people just say it because it sounds scientific enough to be true and no one has ever researched it because it’s obviously wrong scientifically speaking but is addressed by unrelated fundamental knowledge in a scientific field Im not knowledgeable about such as industrial scale food science or something else. So yeah would greatly appreciate anything more knowledgeable people on the topic can share, this little throw away line nerd sniped me.
  - tylerag 3y ago
    I didn't post a link because I thought it would be easy to search for. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histamine_intolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histamine_intolerance https://duckduckgo.com/?q=low+histamine+diet&atb=v376-1&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=low+histamine+diet&atb=v376-1&ia=w... https://old.reddit.com/r/HistamineIntolerance/comments/cr9pf6/histamine_intolerence_introduction_and_help_with/ https://old.reddit.com/r/HistamineIntolerance/comments/cr9pf... https://www.mastzellaktivierung.info/downloads/foodlist/21_FoodList_EN_alphabetic_withCateg.pdf https://www.mastzellaktivierung.info/downloads/foodlist/21_F... Anecdotally, I've had major digestive issues my entire life. It's particularly frustrating because foods that are supposed to be extremely healthy (low fodmap! gluten free! whole 30!) are still bad for me. Following the last list I posted has actually helped. Although now that I think about it, the original poster's migraines could be caused by chemicals leaching out of the can liner.

ars 3y ago

I don't get how that would work given that best by dates are basically random.