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Strange how this keeps coming up but is always framed in a manner constrained to advance this argument. Satellite photography of local area parking lots show a

Strange how this keeps coming up but is always framed in a manner constrained to advance this argument. Satellite photography of local area parking lots show an extremely large surge in illness in the winter of 2019. If remarkable numbers of people all over the city were suddenly becoming sick then is it odd that researches also fell sick at this time? Abandoning virology in order to pursue the matter as an exciting who did it mystery may not reach correct conclusions.

impissedoff1 3y ago
I flew through Hong Kong airport in November 2019 and they had a permanent temperature screening station set up. I even took a photo thinking, how strange is this. Like a massive desk and camera equipment in the middle of the major arrival walkway, it was clearly new
- OoooooooO 3y ago
  Those things are useless as far as I've read. Feeling of security but walk a bit faster/slower and the results change enough.
- eggy 3y ago
  I lived in Macau for 7 years (2009 to 2016) and traveled to Hong Kong frequently from the US. There were always temperature scanners at the airport along with cameras. Travelers had to remove hats when approaching them.
  - impissedoff1 3y ago
    So they were always prepared since SARS
- rcme 3y ago
  I’ve seen those in other airports. Pretty sure Narita had them back in early 2019.
- nmfisher 3y ago
  Mainland China has had those for as long as I can remember (going back at least as early as 2010).
snake_plissken 3y ago
Can you expand on this? The words "satellite" and "parking lot" do not appear once in the WSJ article.
- netsharc 3y ago
  I'm not grandparent commenter, but someone wrote a paper comparing satellite photos of the parking lot of a hospital in Wuhan, as well as Baidu search queries: https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/42669767/Satellite_Images_Baidu_COVID19_manuscript_DASH.pdf https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/42669767/Satelli... There was also news coverage of this paper: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=wuhan+area+hospital+satellite+photos&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=wuhan+area+hospital+satellite+phot...
haberman 3y ago
How is the wet market theory any better on this account? Here is an article from a year ago reporting on two peer reviewed papers published in Science claiming zoonotic origin: https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/26/health/wuhan-market-covid-19/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/26/health/wuhan-market-covid... > Two newly published studies take totally different approaches but arrive at the same conclusion: The Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan, China, was most likely the epicenter for the coronavirus. > “All eight COVID-19 cases detected prior to 20 December were from the western side of the market, where mammal species were also sold,” the study says. The proximity to five stalls that sold live or recently butchered animals was predictive of human cases. > The researchers suggest that the first animal-to-human transmission probably happened around November 18, 2019, and it came from lineage B. They found the lineage B type only in people who had a direct connection to the Huanan market. > “These findings indicate that it is unlikely that SARS-CoV-2 circulated widely in humans prior to November 2019 and define the narrow window between when SARS-CoV-2 first jumped into humans and when the first cases of COVID-19 were reported,” the study says. “As with other coronaviruses, SARS-CoV-2 emergence likely resulted from multiple zoonotic events.” If what you say is true, and COVID was spreading widely as early as August, then these previous papers in Science that claimed zoonotic spread specifically around Nov 18, 2019 must have been wildly off the mark. But Wikipedia cites these two studies as the primary evidence in favor of zoonotic origin.
- m0llusk 3y ago
  It is important to be specific with qualifiers in this. The scientists "fell ill". Local hospitals became unusually busy. This is not all that unusual and relates to the common practice of wearing masks which has been well established for many years. It is quite possible that was a bad flu event that preceded the COVID-19 outbreak.

impissedoff1 3y ago

I flew through Hong Kong airport in November 2019 and they had a permanent temperature screening station set up. I even took a photo thinking, how strange is this. Like a massive desk and camera equipment in the middle of the major arrival walkway, it was clearly new

OoooooooO 3y ago
Those things are useless as far as I've read. Feeling of security but walk a bit faster/slower and the results change enough.
eggy 3y ago
I lived in Macau for 7 years (2009 to 2016) and traveled to Hong Kong frequently from the US. There were always temperature scanners at the airport along with cameras. Travelers had to remove hats when approaching them.
- impissedoff1 3y ago
  So they were always prepared since SARS
rcme 3y ago
I’ve seen those in other airports. Pretty sure Narita had them back in early 2019.
nmfisher 3y ago
Mainland China has had those for as long as I can remember (going back at least as early as 2010).

snake_plissken 3y ago

Can you expand on this? The words "satellite" and "parking lot" do not appear once in the WSJ article.

netsharc 3y ago
I'm not grandparent commenter, but someone wrote a paper comparing satellite photos of the parking lot of a hospital in Wuhan, as well as Baidu search queries: https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/42669767/Satellite_Images_Baidu_COVID19_manuscript_DASH.pdf https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/42669767/Satelli... There was also news coverage of this paper: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=wuhan+area+hospital+satellite+photos&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=wuhan+area+hospital+satellite+phot...

haberman 3y ago

How is the wet market theory any better on this account? Here is an article from a year ago reporting on two peer reviewed papers published in Science claiming zoonotic origin: https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/26/health/wuhan-market-covid-19/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2022/07/26/health/wuhan-market-covid... > Two newly published studies take totally different approaches but arrive at the same conclusion: The Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan, China, was most likely the epicenter for the coronavirus. > “All eight COVID-19 cases detected prior to 20 December were from the western side of the market, where mammal species were also sold,” the study says. The proximity to five stalls that sold live or recently butchered animals was predictive of human cases. > The researchers suggest that the first animal-to-human transmission probably happened around November 18, 2019, and it came from lineage B. They found the lineage B type only in people who had a direct connection to the Huanan market. > “These findings indicate that it is unlikely that SARS-CoV-2 circulated widely in humans prior to November 2019 and define the narrow window between when SARS-CoV-2 first jumped into humans and when the first cases of COVID-19 were reported,” the study says. “As with other coronaviruses, SARS-CoV-2 emergence likely resulted from multiple zoonotic events.” If what you say is true, and COVID was spreading widely as early as August, then these previous papers in Science that claimed zoonotic spread specifically around Nov 18, 2019 must have been wildly off the mark. But Wikipedia cites these two studies as the primary evidence in favor of zoonotic origin.

m0llusk 3y ago
It is important to be specific with qualifiers in this. The scientists "fell ill". Local hospitals became unusually busy. This is not all that unusual and relates to the common practice of wearing masks which has been well established for many years. It is quite possible that was a bad flu event that preceded the COVID-19 outbreak.