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The parent poster literally said "better to feel somewhat hungry all the time". I disagree! I don't want fat people to feel "somewhat hungry all the time"! That

The parent poster literally said "better to feel somewhat hungry all the time". I disagree! I don't want fat people to feel "somewhat hungry all the time"! That sounds like a shitty existence and I a thin person would be appalled if we think that's just what it takes to be thin for some people! I acknowledge being thin for me is great: I eat when I'm hungry, I lay off a little bit if I know I've eaten a big thanksgiving dinner or something. I am never "somewhat hungry all the time"!

fastball 3y ago
I feel hungry basically all the time (30 minutes after a meal I am hungry again, an hour and I'm at peak hunger until the next meal). I am thin because I only eat at "normal" times; I don't snack / I don't eat whenever I'm hungry (which would be all the time). You get used to it. People who claim to get "hangry" (like in those Snickers commercials[1]) need to get a grip. If hunger is all it takes to make you a shitty person then I think hunger isn't actually the primary issue. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shOiXy5b5Ro&themeRefresh=1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shOiXy5b5Ro&themeRefresh=1
- EatingWithForks 3y ago
  TBH that sounds like a sucky life and I don't think we should expect all fat people to live it just because they're fat. That sounds like something's wrong with your hunger sensors or something.
bumby 3y ago
That's okay to disagree. But the idea of not eating until one is satiated is not new. Hippocrates said "If you still have a slight sensation of hunger after a meal - you have eaten well. if you feel full - you have poisoned yourself." I suspect the divergence in opinion comes from the how one defines well-being. Hedonic well-being tends to focus on fulfilling one's appetites, whether hunger or sex or whatever. The problem with that is humans tend toward hedonic adaptation and it can become an endless treadmill to try and feel "full". In a resource rich environment, this can obviously lead to a lot of bad outcomes.
- EatingWithForks 3y ago
  No, I'm not arguing against eating until satiety. That's fine. I'm specifically arguing against feeling "somewhat hungry all the time". That sounds bad and definitely not what I feel as a thin person and not an expectation I would have of fat people. I wouldn't even describe my satiety as feeling a little hungry. I just feel not-hungry, not-full, and I've been thin all my life so I think I understand what it's like to be thin and eat as a thin person.
  - bumby 3y ago
    The Hippocrates quote literally says remaining a little hungry. Now you may think that's a bad time, but my point is that it may be because how you define well being. The point is there are other frameworks to think about that. And that people have been doing so for a long, long time.
rngname22 3y ago
The parent poster (me), isn't arguing that in all cases its better to feel hungry all the time than to be fat. The parent poster is arguing that for some individuals, the experience of being hungry would be preferable to the experience of being obese. Would you disagree with that? For some overweight and obese people, there are costs like sleep quality / apnea that CPAP might not solve (leading to all sorts of health issues), there can be sexual dysfunction (erection quality, difficulty even accessing the genitals or having sex in many positions), there can be shame and embarrassment (regardless of if you think society SHOULDN'T have that shame, the reality is many overweight or obese people feel it, and avoid certain settings and activities because of it), there is just the raw feeling of physical tiredness, back pain, knee pain, etc. that can come along with the physical stresses it puts on your body, I could really go on. For some people, those things ARE worse than feeling hungry most or all of the time. For some people, they CAN tolerate a mild or moderate feeling of hunger by distracting themselves or avoiding dwelling on the feeling, and they might find the other parts of their lives improve enough that it's worth it.

fastball 3y ago

I feel hungry basically all the time (30 minutes after a meal I am hungry again, an hour and I'm at peak hunger until the next meal). I am thin because I only eat at "normal" times; I don't snack / I don't eat whenever I'm hungry (which would be all the time). You get used to it. People who claim to get "hangry" (like in those Snickers commercials[1]) need to get a grip. If hunger is all it takes to make you a shitty person then I think hunger isn't actually the primary issue. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shOiXy5b5Ro&themeRefresh=1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shOiXy5b5Ro&themeRefresh=1

EatingWithForks 3y ago
TBH that sounds like a sucky life and I don't think we should expect all fat people to live it just because they're fat. That sounds like something's wrong with your hunger sensors or something.

bumby 3y ago

That's okay to disagree. But the idea of not eating until one is satiated is not new. Hippocrates said "If you still have a slight sensation of hunger after a meal - you have eaten well. if you feel full - you have poisoned yourself." I suspect the divergence in opinion comes from the how one defines well-being. Hedonic well-being tends to focus on fulfilling one's appetites, whether hunger or sex or whatever. The problem with that is humans tend toward hedonic adaptation and it can become an endless treadmill to try and feel "full". In a resource rich environment, this can obviously lead to a lot of bad outcomes.

EatingWithForks 3y ago
No, I'm not arguing against eating until satiety. That's fine. I'm specifically arguing against feeling "somewhat hungry all the time". That sounds bad and definitely not what I feel as a thin person and not an expectation I would have of fat people. I wouldn't even describe my satiety as feeling a little hungry. I just feel not-hungry, not-full, and I've been thin all my life so I think I understand what it's like to be thin and eat as a thin person.
- bumby 3y ago
  The Hippocrates quote literally says remaining a little hungry. Now you may think that's a bad time, but my point is that it may be because how you define well being. The point is there are other frameworks to think about that. And that people have been doing so for a long, long time.

rngname22 3y ago

The parent poster (me), isn't arguing that in all cases its better to feel hungry all the time than to be fat. The parent poster is arguing that for some individuals, the experience of being hungry would be preferable to the experience of being obese. Would you disagree with that? For some overweight and obese people, there are costs like sleep quality / apnea that CPAP might not solve (leading to all sorts of health issues), there can be sexual dysfunction (erection quality, difficulty even accessing the genitals or having sex in many positions), there can be shame and embarrassment (regardless of if you think society SHOULDN'T have that shame, the reality is many overweight or obese people feel it, and avoid certain settings and activities because of it), there is just the raw feeling of physical tiredness, back pain, knee pain, etc. that can come along with the physical stresses it puts on your body, I could really go on. For some people, those things ARE worse than feeling hungry most or all of the time. For some people, they CAN tolerate a mild or moderate feeling of hunger by distracting themselves or avoiding dwelling on the feeling, and they might find the other parts of their lives improve enough that it's worth it.