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Let's say we eliminated all agricultural use of animals tomorrow. All that would accomplish is one-time shift the point on the continuum that the earth and soci

Let's say we eliminated all agricultural use of animals tomorrow. All that would accomplish is one-time shift the point on the continuum that the earth and society can support. The real problem, and the real elephant that no one wants to address, is the human population size.

depr 3y ago
People have been addressing it for a long time, it's called family planning, look it up.
munificent 3y ago
We are addressing that. Human population is predicted to plateau in 2080 and begin to decline after that: https://ourworldindata.org/future-population-growth https://ourworldindata.org/future-population-growth
fkyoureadthedoc 3y ago
> The real problem, and the real elephant that no one wants to address, is the human population size. Usually nobody engages this because it's a boring conservative talking point. Do I consume too much? No, it's the world that's overpopulated. And they usually have drastic authoritarian solutions that have no chance of being enacted. But go ahead, you have the floor, what are your proposals?
vixen99 3y ago
As a special case it's worth noting that some 20 European countries are experiencing depopulation at a rate of around 10-20%. Countries with a significant welfare & national pension system cannot survive long term depopulation if there are not enough taxes coming in to pay for it.
- aerio 3y ago
  Almost every single one of those countries are in eastern europe, definitely not countries with "significant welfare & national pension system". The depopulation is also mainly due to migration, not fertility.
vGPU 3y ago
Great, let’s start with the highest fertility countries! Well, might want to look those up before you continue down this line of thought.
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nextaccountic 3y ago
Fortunately the human populations growth is slowing down and we are expected to peak somewhere close to the end of this century.

depr 3y ago

People have been addressing it for a long time, it's called family planning, look it up.

munificent 3y ago

We are addressing that. Human population is predicted to plateau in 2080 and begin to decline after that: https://ourworldindata.org/future-population-growth https://ourworldindata.org/future-population-growth

fkyoureadthedoc 3y ago

> The real problem, and the real elephant that no one wants to address, is the human population size. Usually nobody engages this because it's a boring conservative talking point. Do I consume too much? No, it's the world that's overpopulated. And they usually have drastic authoritarian solutions that have no chance of being enacted. But go ahead, you have the floor, what are your proposals?

vixen99 3y ago

As a special case it's worth noting that some 20 European countries are experiencing depopulation at a rate of around 10-20%. Countries with a significant welfare & national pension system cannot survive long term depopulation if there are not enough taxes coming in to pay for it.

aerio 3y ago
Almost every single one of those countries are in eastern europe, definitely not countries with "significant welfare & national pension system". The depopulation is also mainly due to migration, not fertility.

vGPU 3y ago

Great, let’s start with the highest fertility countries! Well, might want to look those up before you continue down this line of thought.

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nextaccountic 3y ago

Fortunately the human populations growth is slowing down and we are expected to peak somewhere close to the end of this century.