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In the end - there's basically no serious scientist saying the world is going to be destroyed from global warming. There's going to be more extreme weather. Lif

by cm2012 3y ago

In the end - there's basically no serious scientist saying the world is going to be destroyed from global warming. There's going to be more extreme weather. Life in hot areas in third world countries is going to suck more. But add up all the deaths and inconveniences from this, assume it gets worse, and the world is still incredibly better off than it was in the 1980s.

cmh89 3y ago
No one thinks the world is going to get 'destroyed'. You're really donwplaying the 'more extreme weather' and life in hot areas is 'going to suck more'. More extreme weather doesn't mean you can't go outside and play. It means mega-droughts. It means crop failures. It means extreme flooding. It means paying more for everything as more people fight over fewer resources. Wealthy countries will be able to somewhat deal with drought in parts of their territory, but poorer countries will experience more famine and hunger. More people will die from heat-related illness. >But add up all the deaths and inconveniences from this, assume it gets worse, and the world is still incredibly better off than it was in the 1980s. In the 1980s, an American with a high school education could expect to make a good living and maybe have a stay at home parent. Most modern Americans wont be able to buy a house much more raise a family on a single income. Everything is getting rapidly expensive while wages stagnate or decline through inflation.
- bryanlarsen 3y ago
  In the 1980s we had double digit inflation and a high unemployment rate. Things were not better then, especially if you weren't a white male. The rent to income ratio is at about the same level (30%) as it was in the 80s.
  - cmh89 3y ago
    There is a lot more to the story than that. How many people entered the workforce in the 80s with more than a years salary in student loans? Inflation adjusted home prices have more than doubled since 1985. Inflation-adjusted median wages were 20% in 1985 than they are in the present. It's a whole generation where people know they'll never own a home or be able to retire, unless they don't have kids.
mrguyorama 3y ago
Nothing will "destroy" the earth because that's a stupid bar to pick. A few hundred thousand people running from bad situations is helping to drive a new push towards actual facism. If democracy crumbles under the hatred of outsiders when millions of people have to leave india and similar places because you cannot survive without a base level of wealth, I would consider that "OUR world destroyed"
donohoe 3y ago
You are changing the argument. No one here said that either. Aside from that, you are still wrong, as per cmh89's comment.
revelio 3y ago
Almost definitionally so, because the world isn't going to be destroyed from global warming. Unfortunately the "scientists" we actually get aren't serious and many of them say exactly that. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nasa-climate-scientist-says-were-toast/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nasa-climate-scientist-says-wer... NASA Climate Scientist Says "We're Toast" (2008) James Hansen told Congress on Monday that the world has long passed the "dangerous level" for greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and needs to get back to 1988 levels. He said Earth's atmosphere can only stay this loaded with man-made carbon dioxide for a couple more decades without changes such as mass extinction, ecosystem collapse and dramatic sea level rises. "We see a tipping point occurring right before our eyes," Hansen told the AP before the luncheon. "The Arctic is the first tipping point and it's occurring exactly the way we said it would." Hansen, echoing work by other scientists, said that in five to 10 years, the Arctic will be free of sea ice in the summer. Ten years later in 2018 there were no mass extinctions, ecosystem collapse and the Arctic had plenty of ice in summer. But the world is still going to be destroyed, this time within 5 years. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2018/01/15/carbon-pollution-has-shoved-the-climate-backward-at-least-12-million-years-harvard-scientist-says/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2018/01/15/carbon-p... We Have Five Years To Save Ourselves From Climate Change, Harvard Scientist Says (2018) The chance that there will be any permanent ice left in the Arctic after 2022 is essentially zero," said James Anderson[, a Harvard University professor of atmospheric chemistry]. "Can we lose 75-80 percent of permanent ice and recover? The answer is no." The Arctic is still full of ice, there is currently more than there was at this time in 2012 and we are still not toast.

by cm2012 3y ago

cmh89 3y ago

No one thinks the world is going to get 'destroyed'. You're really donwplaying the 'more extreme weather' and life in hot areas is 'going to suck more'. More extreme weather doesn't mean you can't go outside and play. It means mega-droughts. It means crop failures. It means extreme flooding. It means paying more for everything as more people fight over fewer resources. Wealthy countries will be able to somewhat deal with drought in parts of their territory, but poorer countries will experience more famine and hunger. More people will die from heat-related illness. >But add up all the deaths and inconveniences from this, assume it gets worse, and the world is still incredibly better off than it was in the 1980s. In the 1980s, an American with a high school education could expect to make a good living and maybe have a stay at home parent. Most modern Americans wont be able to buy a house much more raise a family on a single income. Everything is getting rapidly expensive while wages stagnate or decline through inflation.

bryanlarsen 3y ago
In the 1980s we had double digit inflation and a high unemployment rate. Things were not better then, especially if you weren't a white male. The rent to income ratio is at about the same level (30%) as it was in the 80s.
- cmh89 3y ago
  There is a lot more to the story than that. How many people entered the workforce in the 80s with more than a years salary in student loans? Inflation adjusted home prices have more than doubled since 1985. Inflation-adjusted median wages were 20% in 1985 than they are in the present. It's a whole generation where people know they'll never own a home or be able to retire, unless they don't have kids.

mrguyorama 3y ago

Nothing will "destroy" the earth because that's a stupid bar to pick. A few hundred thousand people running from bad situations is helping to drive a new push towards actual facism. If democracy crumbles under the hatred of outsiders when millions of people have to leave india and similar places because you cannot survive without a base level of wealth, I would consider that "OUR world destroyed"

donohoe 3y ago

You are changing the argument. No one here said that either. Aside from that, you are still wrong, as per cmh89's comment.

revelio 3y ago

Almost definitionally so, because the world isn't going to be destroyed from global warming. Unfortunately the "scientists" we actually get aren't serious and many of them say exactly that. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nasa-climate-scientist-says-were-toast/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nasa-climate-scientist-says-wer... NASA Climate Scientist Says "We're Toast" (2008) James Hansen told Congress on Monday that the world has long passed the "dangerous level" for greenhouse gases in the atmosphere and needs to get back to 1988 levels. He said Earth's atmosphere can only stay this loaded with man-made carbon dioxide for a couple more decades without changes such as mass extinction, ecosystem collapse and dramatic sea level rises. "We see a tipping point occurring right before our eyes," Hansen told the AP before the luncheon. "The Arctic is the first tipping point and it's occurring exactly the way we said it would." Hansen, echoing work by other scientists, said that in five to 10 years, the Arctic will be free of sea ice in the summer. Ten years later in 2018 there were no mass extinctions, ecosystem collapse and the Arctic had plenty of ice in summer. But the world is still going to be destroyed, this time within 5 years. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2018/01/15/carbon-pollution-has-shoved-the-climate-backward-at-least-12-million-years-harvard-scientist-says/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeffmcmahon/2018/01/15/carbon-p... We Have Five Years To Save Ourselves From Climate Change, Harvard Scientist Says (2018) The chance that there will be any permanent ice left in the Arctic after 2022 is essentially zero," said James Anderson[, a Harvard University professor of atmospheric chemistry]. "Can we lose 75-80 percent of permanent ice and recover? The answer is no." The Arctic is still full of ice, there is currently more than there was at this time in 2012 and we are still not toast.