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Here is SLC’s program, including all the community work they have to do to mollify the NIMBYs: https://www.npr.org/2022/11/06/1134230388/village-salt-lake-city

Here is SLC’s program, including all the community work they have to do to mollify the NIMBYs: https://www.npr.org/2022/11/06/1134230388/village-salt-lake-city-chronic-homelessness-housing https://www.npr.org/2022/11/06/1134230388/village-salt-lake-... Median rent in SLC: 1.8k/mo, 21.6k/yr Federal prison: ~39k/yr https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/09/01/2021-18800/annual-determination-of-average-cost-of-incarceration-fee-coif https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/09/01/2021-18... Median rent in CA: 2.9k/mo, 34.8k/yr (according to Zillow) CA prison: 106k/yr (!) https://lao.ca.gov/policyareas/cj/6_cj_inmatecost https://lao.ca.gov/policyareas/cj/6_cj_inmatecost Incarcerating the homeless is not an economic decision, it’s an emotional one. Society doesn’t mind wasting endless amounts of money doing it, because the cruelty is the point.

lotsofpulp 3y ago
I feel like the induced demand portion of my argument is being ignored. CA prison might be 3x expensive per year, but would CA be looking to house 3x or more people if they offered free housing?
pandaman 3y ago
All law enforcement is not economical in this approach, when you are pricing only immediate costs. E.g. prosecuting a murderer is a complete loss of hundreds of thousands dollars if not millions. And we are not even getting the victim back for all these money spent.
- thebooktocome 3y ago
  Murderers aren’t really representative of the homeless. Bear in mind mere homelessness is not unequivocally a crime in the states, see Martin v. Boise (2020 or so).
  - pandaman 3y ago
    >Murderers aren’t really representative of the homeless. Nobody is arguing they are. >Bear in mind mere homelessness is not unequivocally a crime in the states Nobody is for prosecuting homelessness. Vagrancy, loitering, public consumption of drugs and alcohol, obstruction of public right of way, public nuisance, public defecation, trespassing etc, etc, are crimes though and we should be going after their perpetrators regardless of their having a home.

lotsofpulp 3y ago

I feel like the induced demand portion of my argument is being ignored. CA prison might be 3x expensive per year, but would CA be looking to house 3x or more people if they offered free housing?

pandaman 3y ago

All law enforcement is not economical in this approach, when you are pricing only immediate costs. E.g. prosecuting a murderer is a complete loss of hundreds of thousands dollars if not millions. And we are not even getting the victim back for all these money spent.

thebooktocome 3y ago
Murderers aren’t really representative of the homeless. Bear in mind mere homelessness is not unequivocally a crime in the states, see Martin v. Boise (2020 or so).
- pandaman 3y ago
  >Murderers aren’t really representative of the homeless. Nobody is arguing they are. >Bear in mind mere homelessness is not unequivocally a crime in the states Nobody is for prosecuting homelessness. Vagrancy, loitering, public consumption of drugs and alcohol, obstruction of public right of way, public nuisance, public defecation, trespassing etc, etc, are crimes though and we should be going after their perpetrators regardless of their having a home.