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> Upper Market, North Beach, Hayes Valley, Valencia St, Mission Dolores, Polk Street, Upper Nob Hill, Haight Ashbury -- all fun locations. This is like 2 sq mi

> Upper Market, North Beach, Hayes Valley, Valencia St, Mission Dolores, Polk Street, Upper Nob Hill, Haight Ashbury -- all fun locations. This is like 2 sq miles of the city, maybe... If you add in Golden Gate Park and Presidio - you're still only at 1/8th of the city being nice. That's not a great ratio. Especially when the nice parts aren't all connected and you can't venture more than a few blocks until you're out of a nice area (unless you're in one of 2 parks).

scarmig 3y ago
The Mission District alone is almost 2 square miles. Add in a couple more decent neighborhoods (particularly the Sunset and the Richmond), and you're probably at half of SF's 49 square miles.
- nwienert 3y ago
  Are we claiming the Mission is nice? Because it's really not, even the nicer parts worsened pre, during, post pandemic.
  - whimsicalism 3y ago
    It's much nicer than soma in my opinion and there are basically only two drug dealing/prostitution corridors along shotwell area and capp.
    - fmajid 3y ago
      The Norteńo and Sureńo gangs had running machine gun battles in the Outer and South Mission just a decade ago, until the Feds took them down using the gang enhancements so decried by progressives like Chesa Boudin.
  - scarmig 3y ago
    At some point, nice is subjective. And Mission definitely has some sketch spots. But Castro, Eureka, Noe border it and are even nicer; then there's Hayes and the Haight and Alamo Square; head west on Haight and you get to Cole Valley and the Inner Sunset; north of Haight you'd hit a few patchy blocks on Fillmore but then come to Japantown, Pac Heights, the Marina. And that list is not even close to exhaustive: the point is that there are large contiguous areas that are nice, walkable, and safe.
    - nwienert 3y ago
      But all of those places have a lot of bums accosting people and shouting, tents right along main walkways, poop in the streets, etc.

scarmig 3y ago

The Mission District alone is almost 2 square miles. Add in a couple more decent neighborhoods (particularly the Sunset and the Richmond), and you're probably at half of SF's 49 square miles.

nwienert 3y ago
Are we claiming the Mission is nice? Because it's really not, even the nicer parts worsened pre, during, post pandemic.
- whimsicalism 3y ago
  It's much nicer than soma in my opinion and there are basically only two drug dealing/prostitution corridors along shotwell area and capp.
  - fmajid 3y ago
    The Norteńo and Sureńo gangs had running machine gun battles in the Outer and South Mission just a decade ago, until the Feds took them down using the gang enhancements so decried by progressives like Chesa Boudin.
- scarmig 3y ago
  At some point, nice is subjective. And Mission definitely has some sketch spots. But Castro, Eureka, Noe border it and are even nicer; then there's Hayes and the Haight and Alamo Square; head west on Haight and you get to Cole Valley and the Inner Sunset; north of Haight you'd hit a few patchy blocks on Fillmore but then come to Japantown, Pac Heights, the Marina. And that list is not even close to exhaustive: the point is that there are large contiguous areas that are nice, walkable, and safe.
  - nwienert 3y ago
    But all of those places have a lot of bums accosting people and shouting, tents right along main walkways, poop in the streets, etc.