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Yes, Another way of looking at it. I always felt hungry all the time, it wasn't till i started taking Semaglutide that hunger totally go away. When that did th
by intothemild 3y ago
Yes, Another way of looking at it.
I always felt hungry all the time, it wasn't till i started taking Semaglutide that hunger totally go away. When that did the thing I found was an understanding of people who don't have as much hunger as I used to, all saying things like "just eat less".
For those people who say Just eat less, they don't understand that for those who have a hunger issue.. that it's not making them feel any better.
Same with people who feel lonely or depressed... "Just smile or something"... That does the opposite of what you want it to do.
- wpietri 3y agoYeah, I often think that "just" is code for "I assume everybody else's experience is exactly like mine". I had a period of significant back problems and I can't count the number of people who said, "Why don't you just..." and then pop off with something painfully obvious. I never actually shouted, "Oh, having just arrived on the turnip truck, I was unaware of stretching. Thanks so much!" But damn, I sure did consider it.
- OccamsMirror 3y agoI like to ask people how to spell said obvious thing. “Oh cool thanks for the suggestion. Yoga huh. Never heard of it. How do you spell it?” Try to maintain composure for as long as possible.
- hinkley 3y agoSleet? Isn’t that frozen rain? How would I make it sleet more?
- NamTaf 3y agoAgreed. 'Just' is code for 'I don't understand the nuances of the topic at hand' in my books too, and it was here on HN in particular that I came to realise that. I now actively try to avoid using that turn of phrase, and when I catch myself about to say/saying it, I check myself and remind myself that I'm also susceptible to this blind spot.
- bumby 3y agoA former boss had a little sign on his desk that said "All you gotta do is..." as a reminder that seemingly simple solutions are often devoid of the necessary nuance and understanding of the problem.
- wpietri 3y agoTotally. "For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong." -- H. L. Mencken
- hinkley 3y agoYou’d think we would know better. The old adage, “the worst beginning to a sentence is, ‘Why can’t you just…’” is something we understand viscerally. Seemingly doesn’t stop us from doing it to others.
- hinkley 3y ago“Just exercise, and get more sleep.” Depressed people often deal with intrusive thoughts. The last thing you want is someone lying in bed, alone, while everyone else is asleep, entertaining those thoughts. One of the archetypes of depression+sleep disturbance is people staying awake until they are absolutely exhausted and then collapsing into a sleep that the apocalypse could not rouse them from. That’s not a bad habit, it’s a coping mechanism.
- namtab00 3y agoehm, I feel violated. I wonder how many share this plight.. that deep sleep you described is something else... it's what I call my petit mort (and yes, that's an intentional misnomer).
- tzm 3y agoNow I'm curious about the psychology of Nike's "Just Do It" slogan.
- MagicMoonlight 3y agoSemaglutide is fucking incredible. Stimulants don’t touch the hunger but this does.
- hhjinks 3y agoA bit of a tangent, but the fact that some people just never feel full is so strange to me. My feeling of fullness feels like being literally full; like my stomach would distend uncomfortably if I ate more. How can one not have this sensation? The stomach can only fit so much food. Would physically expanding my stomach cause me to have to eat more to feel full, or is what I feel just an "illusion?"
- AdamH12113 3y agoI can only speak for myself, but I normally only feel full after eating a much larger amount of food than other people. There is a point where I feel like I can't (or shouldn't) fit more food in my stomach, but it only happens after I've eaten thousands of calories. Like the GP, I am now on semaglutide, and the difference is remarkable. I now have a new sensation where I just don't want to eat more -- it takes mental effort to force down additional food even if my stomach is mostly empty. It's still easier to eat sweets than healthier food, but the overall reduction in appetite more than makes up for it.
- intothemild 3y agoThe feeling of full is still there. That's not the issue. The issue is that you don't feel satisfied unless you're full. Whereas people like my wife can feel satisfied before they are full. After Semaglutide, I now feel satisfied before I'm full, and then the full feeling comes after. Effectively stopping me from overeating both the amount in a single meal, and then the meals in between.
- celrod 3y agoGiven that gastic stapling/restrictive surgeries exist, perhaps this is related? I have a severely obese friend who got such a surgery. He is substantially healthier now, shedding over half his original body weight. EDIT: But see other replies on satiation vs fullness.
- berberous 3y agoLouis CK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be-NXGbepU0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be-NXGbepU0
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- rngname22 3y agoI think those people saying "just eat less" aren't implying that you won't feel hungry, but are instead thinking "you're killing yourself by being obese, better to suffer and feel somewhat hungry all the time than to die 10-15 years earlier".
- EatingWithForks 3y agoI don't think anyone really acknowledges that "just be hungry for the rest of your life" is a stupid expectation of fat people. I don't even think living another 10 years is worth it if you're hungry all the time, because I know what I'm like when I'm hungry and I hate it-- I hate the person I am hungry (cranky, rude, depressed). I wouldn't wish it on a fat person forever just for the crime of being a fatty. I'd rather fat people be happy, fat, and then die off quickly, than thin angry and depressed people surrounding me in a retirement home until dementia or alzhimers takes them slowly and brutally.
- intothemild 3y agoExactly. I also think the other poster underestimates 1. How hungry you are 2. How often you're hungry (constantly) 3. What that's like to live with 4. What it's like for others to live with you when your hungry 5. How much willpower is required constantly. "Just eat less food" might as well be "just maybe don't have as much (insert addictive drug in here)" I never realised how much of a problem my hunger was until it went away. Now I don't know how I managed to do it. The whole point of all of this is that it's important to put yourself in others shoes, understand their perspectives. So, with that said... If it was easy to just not eat food, don't you think they would?
- ericmcer 3y agoI obviously can't relate entirely, but I have bulked up to 220 for weight lifting and subsequently cut down to 165 for rock climbing and my stomachs capacity would swing wildly based on input. Think 8 hot dogs and buns easily at 220 to now where I get uncomfortable after half a burrito. I also think going from an in shape 220->165 was way harder than going from obese->healthy. It involved cannibalizing tons of muscle instead of fat, and your body will fight to preserve muscle. It wasn't no ice cream and soda, it was only having one plain hard boiled egg instead of two, pounding celery and sparkling water to fend off nighttime hunger, freaking out because I only poop once a week, having no energy or motivation and squashing philosophical doubts about the meaning of life. If I can do it just to climb rocks easier it feels realistic for obese people to do it to improve their health.
- tlogan 3y agoDrugs such as Semaglutide conclusively demonstrate that it's possible for some individuals to eat less without experiencing hunger. Moreover, I find the word "just" to be problematic. It often acts as a command to disregard all other possibilities, indicating a lack of interest in delving deeper. Perhaps this perception is influenced by my experience as a non-native speaker. In my previous meetings with numerous venture capitalists and “advisors”, some would evaluate my project and suggest that I "just" fix xyz. Is it really that straightforward? Have they considered other factors like abc? Do you want to learn more?
- LeifCarrotson 3y agoAs a native speaker, your experience with the word "just" is not unique. Your direct perception of the word, perhaps because you have to consciously translate it, may be more unique! But for native and non-native speakers alike, "just" acts as a dangerous semantic stop-sign. It's a command that's not even recognized as being a command, because it frames the discussion so that you have to argue for both the converse of the proposal and that the proposal is challenging for some reason that can't be obvious to the "just" user. It mis-primes even the speaker's train of thought to not to ask what would obvious follow-on questions.
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- msp26 3y agoI don't like to use the word just often but when I say this in relation to eating, it's as a response to the ridiculous diets and other restrictions people force on themselves to lose weight.
- wtetzner 3y agoThey try all of those different diets because "just eating less" doesn't work for them. If it did, they'd already be doing it. Also, claiming the diets are "ridiculous" means you must have a better understanding of the human body than them, right? As someone who struggled with weight loss, and got it (and kept it off for many years) via keto and intermittent fasting, perhaps the SAD is the ridiculous diet.