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> Discord has lower API limits and zero "3rd party apps" so the fact that it's the recommended darling child of people fleeing reddit because of "low API limits

> Discord has lower API limits and zero "3rd party apps" so the fact that it's the recommended darling child of people fleeing reddit because of "low API limits" and "them taking away 3rd party apps" makes zero sense. The majority of kids these days have been stockholm-syndromed into loving closed gardens like Reddit or Discord. Nobody taught them to that companies and closed gardens manipulate them for their own power. Open, decentralized communities are dying because of it.

brohee 3y ago
Unlike Reddit Discord has a good client. Reddit forcing people on its official app is the issue, and would be less so if it was any good. As it is, it's not, because of a long list of bugs (as egregious as not displaying the right post, videos not playing...) and a long list of misfeatured (e.g. recommending me subreddits I have zero interest in, while the fact that I'm subscribed to dozens of subs might suggest I have content discovery dialled in...).
- pdntspa 3y ago
  > Unlike Reddit Discord has a good client. Absolutely untrue. The number of things you can't do with Discord vastly exceeds nearly every chat client out there that precedes it. Want to watch multiple chats? Fuck you. Want to filter notifications by server/sender/other criteria? Fuck you. Are you a power user? Fuck you. Do you want important content indexed by search engines? Fuck you. Want to break a conversation out into its own window? Fuck you. Oh but hey it has a cute logo and you can post gifs. Because apparently people need to anthropomorphize their computers and are incapable of expressing themselves with their words.
majormajor 3y ago
What makes the experience of "kids these days" usign Reddit/Discord so different than... "kids those days" using MySpace/FB/Instagram 10-15 years ago? or "kids those days" using AOL 25-30 years ago? After maybe a brief window from approx 1999-2004 of migrating from AOL's walled garden to disparate forums and such (at massively smaller scale), it's been moving from one walled garden to another for basically 20 years now. Anyone who wants to change that would be really well served to think about why that has been vs just tossing around stuff like "stockholm syndrome" and "nobody taught them." I don't think "the kids" are nearly as blindly trusting in things like the TikTok algorithm as you think, I think the choices are much more complex than just "if only someone would tell them the flaws they'd all move."
- pdntspa 3y ago
  There was some semblance of openness and creativity in most of the previous walled gardens. Myspace let you style your profile with CSS and embed stuff. Facebook used to let you run your own chat client. AIM/ICQ/MSN/Yahoo all had semi-open protocols and as a result we had Trillian/Pidgin/others. Things were somewhat centralized but they were connected via open protocols. It was a beautiful time. To say nothing of the fact that the cultural zeitgeist has changed from kids distrusting "the man" to kids openly bragging about sponsorships and "influencers" whoring themselves out for likes and free product. Content that was accessible, linkable, archivable, and searchable now lives in millions of miniature jails. And then we get something like the Reddit apocalypse that just happened and now the internet is missing vast swathes of vitally important information, because one stupid fucking CEO wanted to take his company public. So yes, kids these days.
  - majormajor 3y ago
    This sounds like rose colored glasses. By AOL I don't mean AIM, I mean "AOL keyword [whatever]" sites, especially pre-opening-up-of-AIM, which was as walled garden and corporate as you could get compared to what the open web or Usenet was then. And Facebook beat MySpace in large part because of the comparative lack of control (and wasn't even "chat" in those days at all). I personally don't place nearly as much value on diversity of clients to access centralized services as you. Isn't that exactly what led to that "Reddit apocalypse"? An illusion of openness with a giant corporate SPOF, just like all the other ones? Chosen by the kids of 10-15 years ago? If not for the transitory nature of Reddit becoming popular as the surge of the mobile migration catching people off guard, you probably never get the same appearance of openness in the first place - but as long as the content was centrally hosted, it was the same closed-garden story. Same with all the old no-longer-viewable picture tweets that relied on one or another flash-in-the-pan image hosting service... Reddit, Twitter, all of them were never anything but walled gardens, and people in the fading non-walled-gardens in the last 2010s certainly called that out. Nor is thinking everyone else is a sellout anything new. Certainly not newer than the 90s. The target of that message was the huge number of people who always did buy the pop products in the first place. Nobody would care about raging against the machine if the machine wasn't dominant. And isn't it telling that all those generations still ended up going with The Man or becoming The Man? Maybe it isn't an effective approach.

brohee 3y ago

Unlike Reddit Discord has a good client. Reddit forcing people on its official app is the issue, and would be less so if it was any good. As it is, it's not, because of a long list of bugs (as egregious as not displaying the right post, videos not playing...) and a long list of misfeatured (e.g. recommending me subreddits I have zero interest in, while the fact that I'm subscribed to dozens of subs might suggest I have content discovery dialled in...).

pdntspa 3y ago
> Unlike Reddit Discord has a good client. Absolutely untrue. The number of things you can't do with Discord vastly exceeds nearly every chat client out there that precedes it. Want to watch multiple chats? Fuck you. Want to filter notifications by server/sender/other criteria? Fuck you. Are you a power user? Fuck you. Do you want important content indexed by search engines? Fuck you. Want to break a conversation out into its own window? Fuck you. Oh but hey it has a cute logo and you can post gifs. Because apparently people need to anthropomorphize their computers and are incapable of expressing themselves with their words.

majormajor 3y ago

What makes the experience of "kids these days" usign Reddit/Discord so different than... "kids those days" using MySpace/FB/Instagram 10-15 years ago? or "kids those days" using AOL 25-30 years ago? After maybe a brief window from approx 1999-2004 of migrating from AOL's walled garden to disparate forums and such (at massively smaller scale), it's been moving from one walled garden to another for basically 20 years now. Anyone who wants to change that would be really well served to think about why that has been vs just tossing around stuff like "stockholm syndrome" and "nobody taught them." I don't think "the kids" are nearly as blindly trusting in things like the TikTok algorithm as you think, I think the choices are much more complex than just "if only someone would tell them the flaws they'd all move."

pdntspa 3y ago
There was some semblance of openness and creativity in most of the previous walled gardens. Myspace let you style your profile with CSS and embed stuff. Facebook used to let you run your own chat client. AIM/ICQ/MSN/Yahoo all had semi-open protocols and as a result we had Trillian/Pidgin/others. Things were somewhat centralized but they were connected via open protocols. It was a beautiful time. To say nothing of the fact that the cultural zeitgeist has changed from kids distrusting "the man" to kids openly bragging about sponsorships and "influencers" whoring themselves out for likes and free product. Content that was accessible, linkable, archivable, and searchable now lives in millions of miniature jails. And then we get something like the Reddit apocalypse that just happened and now the internet is missing vast swathes of vitally important information, because one stupid fucking CEO wanted to take his company public. So yes, kids these days.
- majormajor 3y ago
  This sounds like rose colored glasses. By AOL I don't mean AIM, I mean "AOL keyword [whatever]" sites, especially pre-opening-up-of-AIM, which was as walled garden and corporate as you could get compared to what the open web or Usenet was then. And Facebook beat MySpace in large part because of the comparative lack of control (and wasn't even "chat" in those days at all). I personally don't place nearly as much value on diversity of clients to access centralized services as you. Isn't that exactly what led to that "Reddit apocalypse"? An illusion of openness with a giant corporate SPOF, just like all the other ones? Chosen by the kids of 10-15 years ago? If not for the transitory nature of Reddit becoming popular as the surge of the mobile migration catching people off guard, you probably never get the same appearance of openness in the first place - but as long as the content was centrally hosted, it was the same closed-garden story. Same with all the old no-longer-viewable picture tweets that relied on one or another flash-in-the-pan image hosting service... Reddit, Twitter, all of them were never anything but walled gardens, and people in the fading non-walled-gardens in the last 2010s certainly called that out. Nor is thinking everyone else is a sellout anything new. Certainly not newer than the 90s. The target of that message was the huge number of people who always did buy the pop products in the first place. Nobody would care about raging against the machine if the machine wasn't dominant. And isn't it telling that all those generations still ended up going with The Man or becoming The Man? Maybe it isn't an effective approach.