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Great, now I have to carry around, manage, charge and use 2 different devices. If you don't want to use your personal device for work, don't. But let's not pr

Great, now I have to carry around, manage, charge and use 2 different devices. If you don't want to use your personal device for work, don't. But let's not pretend this is some great social, moral struggle against evil.

antoinealb 3y ago
I use Android with work profile and just turn it off at the end of the day (actually have it automatically scheduled). Definitely took some discipline at first but now I'm really disconnected on days off.
- Detrytus 3y ago
  Different profiles do you no good. Under US law, if there's an investigation against your employer, you might be required to hand over any device that you used to access your work email, or other data. That's why your work phone should be a separate device, not just a profile.
  - LatteLazy 3y ago
    I doubt any search warrant will respect simple ownership. If the police deem something evidence then under US law you will basically never see it again...
  - pyrale 3y ago
    Why would your phone be required if all they need to access is stuff on the mail server and company chats?
HWR_14 3y ago
The point is with two devices, you don't actually have to carry both around at the same time. You can leave your work device at work or in a drawer.
- hinkley 3y ago
  Or on the charger, killing two birds with one stone.
theonlybutlet 3y ago
Well depends on your definition of evil. If it ever becomes the expectation for a 9-5 admin job that you have to reply to your boss when he sends an email at 2am, while you're asleep, I'd call that evil.
- LatteLazy 3y ago
  But that would be ok if the devices in question were work provided? Because that's the difference here and it seems like the wrong thing to be arguing about...
lo_zamoyski 3y ago
You're missing the broader point which is that employers, in general, do not have a claim on all of your time, and in general, there is no justification for the kind of on-call expectations some seem to have.
- LatteLazy 3y ago
  No, I am refuting the connection between these two points: employers, in general, do not have a claim on all of your time WHETHER THEY PROVIDE A DEVICE OR NOT. It's no different to me whether my evening is interrupted via my personal device or a work one. People making a fuss over devices are missing the point.
  - ryandrake 3y ago
    The point is that the work device (whether it's a phone or laptop) can be turned off at the end of the day and stuck in a drawer to charge. It's not about the device, it's about not opening up a channel to your personal life to interruptions from work. One (but not the only) straightforward way to prevent this interruption is to physically separate devices. There are probably other ways.

antoinealb 3y ago

I use Android with work profile and just turn it off at the end of the day (actually have it automatically scheduled). Definitely took some discipline at first but now I'm really disconnected on days off.

Detrytus 3y ago
Different profiles do you no good. Under US law, if there's an investigation against your employer, you might be required to hand over any device that you used to access your work email, or other data. That's why your work phone should be a separate device, not just a profile.
- LatteLazy 3y ago
  I doubt any search warrant will respect simple ownership. If the police deem something evidence then under US law you will basically never see it again...
- pyrale 3y ago
  Why would your phone be required if all they need to access is stuff on the mail server and company chats?

HWR_14 3y ago

The point is with two devices, you don't actually have to carry both around at the same time. You can leave your work device at work or in a drawer.

hinkley 3y ago
Or on the charger, killing two birds with one stone.

theonlybutlet 3y ago

Well depends on your definition of evil. If it ever becomes the expectation for a 9-5 admin job that you have to reply to your boss when he sends an email at 2am, while you're asleep, I'd call that evil.

LatteLazy 3y ago
But that would be ok if the devices in question were work provided? Because that's the difference here and it seems like the wrong thing to be arguing about...

lo_zamoyski 3y ago

You're missing the broader point which is that employers, in general, do not have a claim on all of your time, and in general, there is no justification for the kind of on-call expectations some seem to have.

LatteLazy 3y ago
No, I am refuting the connection between these two points: employers, in general, do not have a claim on all of your time WHETHER THEY PROVIDE A DEVICE OR NOT. It's no different to me whether my evening is interrupted via my personal device or a work one. People making a fuss over devices are missing the point.
- ryandrake 3y ago
  The point is that the work device (whether it's a phone or laptop) can be turned off at the end of the day and stuck in a drawer to charge. It's not about the device, it's about not opening up a channel to your personal life to interruptions from work. One (but not the only) straightforward way to prevent this interruption is to physically separate devices. There are probably other ways.