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MS Teams is... bad. Even if they were to solve the bugs and performance issues, and even if they actually implemented any of the features that the community has

MS Teams is... bad. Even if they were to solve the bugs and performance issues, and even if they actually implemented any of the features that the community has been asking for (push to talk comes to mind), the entire concept is flawed. Two problems with information are duplication (too many copies around, all of them slightly different) and finding where it is. MS Teams makes it easy to store duplicate data and hard to find it later: did you upload the data as a file in the "development" channel, or as a link in the "updates" wiki? Nobody knows, not even the search function. And with each new project manager creating five channels per project, two of which will actually see any activity... I think MS Teams wants to be everything for everyone and succeeds at neither.

zokier 3y ago
> I think MS Teams wants to be everything for everyone and succeeds at neither. Teams wants to be Slack killer and making sure people stay in MS ecosystem, and it is succeeding in it. You can call the concept flawed, but it is a response to strong demand in the market.
- probably_wrong 3y ago
  Obviously I don't speak for everyone, but the Fortune 500 company I worked for at the time was presented with two options: either migrate your Skype infrastructure to Teams, or... actually, no, you don't get to choose. Migrate or else. I don't doubt that the plan is to keep people in the MS ecosystem and I don't dispute that it's working. But let's not claim that Teams' popularity has anything to do with its technology when it's clear that MS used it's dominant position to push it down everyone's throat.
  - cpill 3y ago
    isn't this what Micro$oft have always done. The big behemoth bully picking off the little guys with there "Too big to fail" approach to business. relying on the fact that large companies think and dream in grey than in color.
- fulafel 3y ago
  MS knows that their sales effort target and most important customer is the IT department, not the users.
paleotrope 3y ago
You are absolutely right about the documentation aspect. We are about four years into Teams and no one can find anything. Massive numbers of dead channels. Files and things all over the place. Notification hell. One particular bad aspect is people started recording meetings. No one has any idea where these things get put. There are links that are shared but where are the actual files. I use a OneNote to keep track of links. It's craziness. Miro has its own management issues as well once you start getting projects and things in the mix. It's like every new app now is designed to work with maybe a handful of objects but beyond that it's a huge mess.
- regularfry 3y ago
  To be fair, Slack also suffers from the "write-only medium" problem.
- TeMPOraL 3y ago
  > We are about four years into Teams and no one can find anything. Massive numbers of dead channels. Files and things all over the place. Notification hell. (...) No one has any idea where these things get put. There are links that are shared but where are the actual files. Isn't this what SharePoint is for? As in, Teams integrates with it, so all the recordings, and planning boards, and file uploads, and yes - chats too, end up being stored there - where it is indexed and searchable (subject to your IT dept. competence and company access policies). I have a feeling that most of the complaints about Teams come from people using it standalone, vs. a small part of a whole suite of tools Microsoft sells to businesses. This of course doesn't excuse Teams being shitty in those cases - but perhaps explains why I, and some others, tend to have almost no negative experience with Teams.

zokier 3y ago

> I think MS Teams wants to be everything for everyone and succeeds at neither. Teams wants to be Slack killer and making sure people stay in MS ecosystem, and it is succeeding in it. You can call the concept flawed, but it is a response to strong demand in the market.

probably_wrong 3y ago
Obviously I don't speak for everyone, but the Fortune 500 company I worked for at the time was presented with two options: either migrate your Skype infrastructure to Teams, or... actually, no, you don't get to choose. Migrate or else. I don't doubt that the plan is to keep people in the MS ecosystem and I don't dispute that it's working. But let's not claim that Teams' popularity has anything to do with its technology when it's clear that MS used it's dominant position to push it down everyone's throat.
- cpill 3y ago
  isn't this what Micro$oft have always done. The big behemoth bully picking off the little guys with there "Too big to fail" approach to business. relying on the fact that large companies think and dream in grey than in color.
fulafel 3y ago
MS knows that their sales effort target and most important customer is the IT department, not the users.

paleotrope 3y ago

You are absolutely right about the documentation aspect. We are about four years into Teams and no one can find anything. Massive numbers of dead channels. Files and things all over the place. Notification hell. One particular bad aspect is people started recording meetings. No one has any idea where these things get put. There are links that are shared but where are the actual files. I use a OneNote to keep track of links. It's craziness. Miro has its own management issues as well once you start getting projects and things in the mix. It's like every new app now is designed to work with maybe a handful of objects but beyond that it's a huge mess.

regularfry 3y ago
To be fair, Slack also suffers from the "write-only medium" problem.
TeMPOraL 3y ago
> We are about four years into Teams and no one can find anything. Massive numbers of dead channels. Files and things all over the place. Notification hell. (...) No one has any idea where these things get put. There are links that are shared but where are the actual files. Isn't this what SharePoint is for? As in, Teams integrates with it, so all the recordings, and planning boards, and file uploads, and yes - chats too, end up being stored there - where it is indexed and searchable (subject to your IT dept. competence and company access policies). I have a feeling that most of the complaints about Teams come from people using it standalone, vs. a small part of a whole suite of tools Microsoft sells to businesses. This of course doesn't excuse Teams being shitty in those cases - but perhaps explains why I, and some others, tend to have almost no negative experience with Teams.