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Most of the smaller communities only exist because someone was first to take the subreddit name, period. That doesn't say anything about the quality of their mo

by veave 3y ago

Most of the smaller communities only exist because someone was first to take the subreddit name, period. That doesn't say anything about the quality of their mods. And as I said most mods are power tripping and/or want to control the conversation. I am glad that they are getting removed for the good of the community.

leoedin 3y ago
Yeah, it's not nearly as clear cut as someone running their own forum. It's almost irrelevant that someone happened to register /r/politics or r/worldnews first - those are categories of discussion, and so their size is directly proportional to Reddit's size. The moderators don't own that community (even if they think they do). If the moderators declare that they're moving to Lemmy, let them. I think they'll quickly realise that people aren't on those subreddits because of them. There's a real frustration when you join a new subreddit, and you think you're joining a category of discussion and quickly discover (by having a post removed) that this particular category has someone who enforces a huge list of arcane rules. Obviously there are exceptions. Some subreddits have non-obvious names, and were built into focused communities by the efforts of the moderators. But not all subreddits are equal, and I think this situation has revealed the gulf between them.
- johnnyanmac 3y ago
  >this particular category has someone who enforces a huge list of arcane rules. and I think a few months with new eyes will show why those arcane rules exist. Losing that tribal knowledge just means the sub will re-experience the same growing pains until we come full circle back to the rules we deemed arcane. Tech moves fast. Human nature, not so much. social media is a lot more about the latter.
  - fn-mote 3y ago
    >> this particular category has someone who enforces a huge list of arcane rules. > [...] I think a few months with new eyes will show why those arcane rules exist. Losing that tribal knowledge just means the sub will re-experience the same growing pains [...] I also predict that most people will not even recognize that what they are witnessing is a repetition of what happened before. I think the math of growing a community means most users have joined after the rules (that make the community a decent place to be) were established.
Seattle3503 3y ago
I'm curious, what is your experience modding subreddits?
- veave 3y ago
  Where is this conversation going? "You don't know how hard mods have it ;( ?" I think subreddits are better off without mods. Therefore, I have never modded one.
  - Seattle3503 3y ago
    > I think subreddits are better off without mods. Therefore, I have never modded one. You might enjoy /r/interesting as fuck. They removed all rules except the sitewide rules. It seems to be mostly porn and OF spam now.
- SkyPuncher 3y ago
  I modded a small programming sub for a while (at least several years). Maybe a post per day type of sub. It was basically no effort. Occasionally, someone would post spam, users would report it, and I’d go “yep, that sure is spam. Remove”. It was just another “mindless action” to take during Reddit time. I’m sure larger subs are exponential harder to mod.
  - Joeboy 3y ago
    > small program lying sub I'm struggling to parse this, maybe partly because of the other small sub that's in the news atm.
    - SkyPuncher 3y ago
      Sorry, I’m running iOS 17 Beta. Autocorrect is very good, but slightly different and I don’t notice some of my typos. Meant to type “programming sub”
johnnyanmac 3y ago
>I am glad that they are getting removed for the good of the community. And you trust the replacements, that in your words are "mostly power tripping and/or want to control the conversation?". Unless you yourself are taking over and trust yourself to not grow to be what you hate? This sounds more like a revolving door in your eyes than cleaning out the trash. why bother if you haven't addressed the core problem?
- veave 3y ago
  Just the fact that the new mods don't think they have the right to keep the entire community hostage makes them better than the replaced ones, yes. Although it would be better not to have any mods at all.
  - Rovoska 3y ago
    It is incredibly naive and foolish to suggest that no mods is a good idea. That's how you get 4chan,or worse, 8chan, and if places like that are your goal, then you have no business making suggestions for anything.
    - veave 3y ago
      [flagged]
      - chimprich 3y ago
        > So you have no idea of what you're talking about, which means you have no business making suggestions for anything. That's unnecessarily aggressive. I agree with the poster's point, which is that no (or very minimal) moderation gives you results that are very undesirable for most communities.
        veave 3y ago
        I copypasted what he said to me.
  - 3y ago

by veave 3y ago

leoedin 3y ago

Yeah, it's not nearly as clear cut as someone running their own forum. It's almost irrelevant that someone happened to register /r/politics or r/worldnews first - those are categories of discussion, and so their size is directly proportional to Reddit's size. The moderators don't own that community (even if they think they do). If the moderators declare that they're moving to Lemmy, let them. I think they'll quickly realise that people aren't on those subreddits because of them. There's a real frustration when you join a new subreddit, and you think you're joining a category of discussion and quickly discover (by having a post removed) that this particular category has someone who enforces a huge list of arcane rules. Obviously there are exceptions. Some subreddits have non-obvious names, and were built into focused communities by the efforts of the moderators. But not all subreddits are equal, and I think this situation has revealed the gulf between them.

johnnyanmac 3y ago
>this particular category has someone who enforces a huge list of arcane rules. and I think a few months with new eyes will show why those arcane rules exist. Losing that tribal knowledge just means the sub will re-experience the same growing pains until we come full circle back to the rules we deemed arcane. Tech moves fast. Human nature, not so much. social media is a lot more about the latter.
- fn-mote 3y ago
  >> this particular category has someone who enforces a huge list of arcane rules. > [...] I think a few months with new eyes will show why those arcane rules exist. Losing that tribal knowledge just means the sub will re-experience the same growing pains [...] I also predict that most people will not even recognize that what they are witnessing is a repetition of what happened before. I think the math of growing a community means most users have joined after the rules (that make the community a decent place to be) were established.

Seattle3503 3y ago

I'm curious, what is your experience modding subreddits?

veave 3y ago
Where is this conversation going? "You don't know how hard mods have it ;( ?" I think subreddits are better off without mods. Therefore, I have never modded one.
- Seattle3503 3y ago
  > I think subreddits are better off without mods. Therefore, I have never modded one. You might enjoy /r/interesting as fuck. They removed all rules except the sitewide rules. It seems to be mostly porn and OF spam now.
SkyPuncher 3y ago
I modded a small programming sub for a while (at least several years). Maybe a post per day type of sub. It was basically no effort. Occasionally, someone would post spam, users would report it, and I’d go “yep, that sure is spam. Remove”. It was just another “mindless action” to take during Reddit time. I’m sure larger subs are exponential harder to mod.
- Joeboy 3y ago
  > small program lying sub I'm struggling to parse this, maybe partly because of the other small sub that's in the news atm.
  - SkyPuncher 3y ago
    Sorry, I’m running iOS 17 Beta. Autocorrect is very good, but slightly different and I don’t notice some of my typos. Meant to type “programming sub”

johnnyanmac 3y ago

>I am glad that they are getting removed for the good of the community. And you trust the replacements, that in your words are "mostly power tripping and/or want to control the conversation?". Unless you yourself are taking over and trust yourself to not grow to be what you hate? This sounds more like a revolving door in your eyes than cleaning out the trash. why bother if you haven't addressed the core problem?

veave 3y ago
Just the fact that the new mods don't think they have the right to keep the entire community hostage makes them better than the replaced ones, yes. Although it would be better not to have any mods at all.
- Rovoska 3y ago
  It is incredibly naive and foolish to suggest that no mods is a good idea. That's how you get 4chan,or worse, 8chan, and if places like that are your goal, then you have no business making suggestions for anything.
  - veave 3y ago
    [flagged]
    - chimprich 3y ago
      > So you have no idea of what you're talking about, which means you have no business making suggestions for anything. That's unnecessarily aggressive. I agree with the poster's point, which is that no (or very minimal) moderation gives you results that are very undesirable for most communities.
      - veave 3y ago
        I copypasted what he said to me.
- 3y ago