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>They were expressing their loyalties by saying they want to keep working for free for the company … as long as their tools aren’t deliberately broken by the co

>They were expressing their loyalties by saying they want to keep working for free for the company … as long as their tools aren’t deliberately broken by the company Reddit is under no obligation to find these terms acceptable. Moderators absolutely can moderate without the API.

lijok 3y ago
> Moderators absolutely can moderate without the API. Practically, and literally impossible. There's CP and other illegal material being posted in these subs every second. Without API access, you have to have dozens of moderators at all times checking every single incoming post.
- kristopolous 3y ago
  Not to mention spam. There's lots of bots posting just avalanches of garbage upvoted by click farms. It's like these people are coming in driving cars and Reddit management is offering a sturdy pair of walking shoes to try to keep up with them.
  - typon 3y ago
    Reddit found the one real solution for dealing with spam (human workers) for FREE and pissed it down the drain.
    - kristopolous 3y ago
      I think it's an exemplar of what's wrong with the modern firm. C-level management seems to be an insular royal court far removed from the actual mechanics of what makes their company run and not familiar with where the hard work is done and what's the value lost in getting rid of it. It's destructively hierarchical and makes things undirected, disjointed and clashing. Incoherent executions and incredulous decisions abound. The current practices are clearly idiotic.
    - Howitzer 3y ago
      Maybe exactly because of this. Every social media is battling spam, and Reddit hasn't to such an extent. They don't know the value of what they have
    - yanderekko 3y ago
      Except it wasn't actually free, that's the entire issue..
      - typon 3y ago
        The labour was free - the tools required were not. That's a miniscule cost compared to the labour if they _actually_ had to pay for it.
        yanderekko 3y ago
        Okay, but Reddit would sensibly prefer free labor + cheap tooling over free labor + costly tooling.
- yanderekko 3y ago
  So you seriously expect that when June 30th rolls around, basically all major subs are going to be flooded with CP and moderators across the site will be overwhelmed, plunging everything into chaos? That's an amazing prediction - guess we'll see how it plays out.
  - lijok 3y ago
    I wonder whether Reddit C-suite are thinking exactly like this and that's what's causing these misguided decisions.
    - yanderekko 3y ago
      I mean, if moderating is going to become literally impossible than the moderators should provide more sober, detailed arguments for why this is the case. As far as I'm aware this just hasn't been done. It's just "we have these tools we like and we don't want to lose them", which is a far weaker argument. If there's a serious rationale for why moderating will suddenly require 10x the effort or whatever as before, I'd love to see it.
      - lijok 3y ago
        Fully agree
- randomdata 3y ago
  > There's CP and other illegal material being posted in these subs every second. Oh well? That is a job for the police to deal with, not an unpaid moderator with a hobby. If you want to help out in your free time, cool, but beyond that, who cares?
  - lijok 3y ago
    What argument in response to "Moderators absolutely can moderate without the API." are you making here?
    - randomdata 3y ago
      Of what purpose would getting into an argument serve? I ask, why would a mod care if someone else posts something illegal to a forum they don't own?
      - lijok 3y ago
        That is a great question, but not what is being discussed in this thread
        randomdata 3y ago
        It is what is being dicussed in this thread branch, stemming from a statement made closer to the root, contextually identified in earlier supplied quote. You don't have to participate in the topic if is not of interest to you, but given that you have shown interest in that topic by replying multiple times now, let's hear what you've got. Or not. Nobody cares. The comment was never for or about you. If you disappear we'll never notice.
        lijok 3y ago
        You've lost me pal. The discussion was about whether or not subs can be moderated without API access.
poulpy123 3y ago
nasty moderator who not only work for free to make money for reddit but also want to keep their tools to make their work easier
brohee 3y ago
This statement is supported by you being a long-standing moderator of which subreddit again?
- deleted 3y ago
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lijok 3y ago

> Moderators absolutely can moderate without the API. Practically, and literally impossible. There's CP and other illegal material being posted in these subs every second. Without API access, you have to have dozens of moderators at all times checking every single incoming post.

kristopolous 3y ago
Not to mention spam. There's lots of bots posting just avalanches of garbage upvoted by click farms. It's like these people are coming in driving cars and Reddit management is offering a sturdy pair of walking shoes to try to keep up with them.
- typon 3y ago
  Reddit found the one real solution for dealing with spam (human workers) for FREE and pissed it down the drain.
  - kristopolous 3y ago
    I think it's an exemplar of what's wrong with the modern firm. C-level management seems to be an insular royal court far removed from the actual mechanics of what makes their company run and not familiar with where the hard work is done and what's the value lost in getting rid of it. It's destructively hierarchical and makes things undirected, disjointed and clashing. Incoherent executions and incredulous decisions abound. The current practices are clearly idiotic.
  - Howitzer 3y ago
    Maybe exactly because of this. Every social media is battling spam, and Reddit hasn't to such an extent. They don't know the value of what they have
  - yanderekko 3y ago
    Except it wasn't actually free, that's the entire issue..
    - typon 3y ago
      The labour was free - the tools required were not. That's a miniscule cost compared to the labour if they _actually_ had to pay for it.
      - yanderekko 3y ago
        Okay, but Reddit would sensibly prefer free labor + cheap tooling over free labor + costly tooling.
yanderekko 3y ago
So you seriously expect that when June 30th rolls around, basically all major subs are going to be flooded with CP and moderators across the site will be overwhelmed, plunging everything into chaos? That's an amazing prediction - guess we'll see how it plays out.
- lijok 3y ago
  I wonder whether Reddit C-suite are thinking exactly like this and that's what's causing these misguided decisions.
  - yanderekko 3y ago
    I mean, if moderating is going to become literally impossible than the moderators should provide more sober, detailed arguments for why this is the case. As far as I'm aware this just hasn't been done. It's just "we have these tools we like and we don't want to lose them", which is a far weaker argument. If there's a serious rationale for why moderating will suddenly require 10x the effort or whatever as before, I'd love to see it.
    - lijok 3y ago
      Fully agree
randomdata 3y ago
> There's CP and other illegal material being posted in these subs every second. Oh well? That is a job for the police to deal with, not an unpaid moderator with a hobby. If you want to help out in your free time, cool, but beyond that, who cares?
- lijok 3y ago
  What argument in response to "Moderators absolutely can moderate without the API." are you making here?
  - randomdata 3y ago
    Of what purpose would getting into an argument serve? I ask, why would a mod care if someone else posts something illegal to a forum they don't own?
    - lijok 3y ago
      That is a great question, but not what is being discussed in this thread
      - randomdata 3y ago
        It is what is being dicussed in this thread branch, stemming from a statement made closer to the root, contextually identified in earlier supplied quote. You don't have to participate in the topic if is not of interest to you, but given that you have shown interest in that topic by replying multiple times now, let's hear what you've got. Or not. Nobody cares. The comment was never for or about you. If you disappear we'll never notice.
        lijok 3y ago
        You've lost me pal. The discussion was about whether or not subs can be moderated without API access.

poulpy123 3y ago

nasty moderator who not only work for free to make money for reddit but also want to keep their tools to make their work easier

brohee 3y ago

This statement is supported by you being a long-standing moderator of which subreddit again?

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