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I feel like a lot, if not all, has to do with the Google backing. Back when Go was announced, the company had _a lot_ of goodwill, and were envied by anyone do

I feel like a lot, if not all, has to do with the Google backing. Back when Go was announced, the company had _a lot_ of goodwill, and were envied by anyone doing software engineering. So, pretty much anything they did had an immediate following and base of engineers willing to blindly adopt whatever they did.

philosopher1234 3y ago
I don’t buy it. I can’t think of a single other Google backed programming language with anywhere near to the following of Go. I think Googles stamp gives it some legitimacy, but I think the much likelier explanation is that the values in Go and its design speak to frustrations a lot of people actually have. This thread is full of people arguing in favor of gos error handling. You can dismiss them all as cranks or sheep if you want, but I think that would be misunderstanding something.
- andrewjf 3y ago
  I mean, maybe - but there's a lot of examples of things being as popular as they are because google did them - gRPC, Protobuf, Kubernetes, Chromium. None of these things were technically bankrupt (including Go), but their adoption curve would not have been what they have been without Googles name on it. There's likely other OSS that's technically better, but did not have the network effects google-backed software had from day 1.
  - philosopher1234 3y ago
    Go almost certainly would not have been as successful Without googles brand. But also, without its funding. Google has poured tens of millions of dollars in to go. all of the good qualities of go are due to its incredible funding, whether that’s tooling or the fact that three or four extremely experienced engineers were given years of time to design and implement it.
    - aatd86 3y ago
      Yes but also think about it? In 2012 and even now, which language would you use to replace Go. Assuredly not C++, nor Rust... No javascript, swift has become more complex apparently, not haskell... Not C... OCaml? No it has a weird syntax, French people and wanting to be different... Etc... So no, Go has genuinely appreciable qualities that are not found anywhere else :o)
- mirekrusin 3y ago
  It does feel like mostly google backing (other aspects are important as well). Imagine if google would be behind ie. Crystal - you'd see it everywhere.
kodah 3y ago
Hard disagree. Go provided a simple answer for asynchronousness in 2012 and was used to build Kubernetes. Because it was used to build Kubernetes a lot of patterns and influence developed very quickly, which made the language very agreeable to anyone writing APIs, systems tooling, or daemons. The portability and cross compilation were also developer favorites as they have downline effects in how simple it is to produce your final product in a CI pipeline. To me, there were a lot of obvious reasons to choose Go in a corporate environment where my success is graded on my ability to deliver and the quality of what I deliver. For every popular Google project you read about there are many flops, including ones they appear to develop in spite of.
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danjac 3y ago
Maybe, but then look at Dart - a Google language whose real-world application so far has been the niche of Flutter app development. I suspect it's a bit more than the Google stamp of approval - the innate simplicity of the language is attractive, it has almost Python-like simplicity without the performance concerns, and it has a "one true way" approach to formatting that settles any bikeshedding arguments in dev teams. It's not my personal favourite language - the poor error handling discussed in this thread, the mess of the package management system (I mean, Python has a mess of a package management system, but that's more forgivable in a language from the 1990s, not the 2010s), the lack of decent standard library collections, etc. But I can see the appeal.

philosopher1234 3y ago

I don’t buy it. I can’t think of a single other Google backed programming language with anywhere near to the following of Go. I think Googles stamp gives it some legitimacy, but I think the much likelier explanation is that the values in Go and its design speak to frustrations a lot of people actually have. This thread is full of people arguing in favor of gos error handling. You can dismiss them all as cranks or sheep if you want, but I think that would be misunderstanding something.

andrewjf 3y ago
I mean, maybe - but there's a lot of examples of things being as popular as they are because google did them - gRPC, Protobuf, Kubernetes, Chromium. None of these things were technically bankrupt (including Go), but their adoption curve would not have been what they have been without Googles name on it. There's likely other OSS that's technically better, but did not have the network effects google-backed software had from day 1.
- philosopher1234 3y ago
  Go almost certainly would not have been as successful Without googles brand. But also, without its funding. Google has poured tens of millions of dollars in to go. all of the good qualities of go are due to its incredible funding, whether that’s tooling or the fact that three or four extremely experienced engineers were given years of time to design and implement it.
  - aatd86 3y ago
    Yes but also think about it? In 2012 and even now, which language would you use to replace Go. Assuredly not C++, nor Rust... No javascript, swift has become more complex apparently, not haskell... Not C... OCaml? No it has a weird syntax, French people and wanting to be different... Etc... So no, Go has genuinely appreciable qualities that are not found anywhere else :o)
mirekrusin 3y ago
It does feel like mostly google backing (other aspects are important as well). Imagine if google would be behind ie. Crystal - you'd see it everywhere.

kodah 3y ago

Hard disagree. Go provided a simple answer for asynchronousness in 2012 and was used to build Kubernetes. Because it was used to build Kubernetes a lot of patterns and influence developed very quickly, which made the language very agreeable to anyone writing APIs, systems tooling, or daemons. The portability and cross compilation were also developer favorites as they have downline effects in how simple it is to produce your final product in a CI pipeline. To me, there were a lot of obvious reasons to choose Go in a corporate environment where my success is graded on my ability to deliver and the quality of what I deliver. For every popular Google project you read about there are many flops, including ones they appear to develop in spite of.

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danjac 3y ago

Maybe, but then look at Dart - a Google language whose real-world application so far has been the niche of Flutter app development. I suspect it's a bit more than the Google stamp of approval - the innate simplicity of the language is attractive, it has almost Python-like simplicity without the performance concerns, and it has a "one true way" approach to formatting that settles any bikeshedding arguments in dev teams. It's not my personal favourite language - the poor error handling discussed in this thread, the mess of the package management system (I mean, Python has a mess of a package management system, but that's more forgivable in a language from the 1990s, not the 2010s), the lack of decent standard library collections, etc. But I can see the appeal.