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How long until vision based ‘AI’ systems make these kinds of counter measures obsolete? It seems like it should be straight forward for a multi-modal sensor pac

How long until vision based ‘AI’ systems make these kinds of counter measures obsolete? It seems like it should be straight forward for a multi-modal sensor package to combine with some basic physics logic (the airframe can only ‘move’ so much) which would defeat these types of counter measures. The vision based processing component should be able to filter out chaff and flare based disruption. I expect that the Ukraine war is a very useful proving/testing ground for a great many defense industry companies.

wrp 3y ago
Some current systems already have trouble at night. I would expect vision based systems to have even more trouble. Are there any CV based guidance systems?
- z303 3y ago
  The first to come to mind is the AGM-65 Maverick in both visible light and IR (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-65_Maverick https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-65_Maverick). Later version of the AIM-9 Sidewinder also have IR imaging seekers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-9_Sidewinder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-9_Sidewinder) as do the AIM-132 ASRAAM (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASRAAM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASRAAM). I'm sure there are a bunch of others.
  - wrp 3y ago
    Need to clarify here. GP appeared to be asking about computer vision based systems, which would involve object recognition. The traditional vision systems such as you referenced are based on contrast detection.
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tivert 3y ago
> How long until vision based ‘AI’ systems make these kinds of counter measures obsolete? It seems like it should be straight forward for a multi-modal sensor package to combine with some basic physics logic (the airframe can only ‘move’ so much) which would defeat these types of counter measures. The vision based processing component should be able to filter out chaff and flare based disruption. And then the countermeasure can maybe just flash a weird pattern of light at the missile to confuse the ‘AI’ systems and it starts thinking the jet is a cloud (e.g. https://www.theregister.com/2017/11/06/mit_fooling_ai/ https://www.theregister.com/2017/11/06/mit_fooling_ai/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPxlhGSG0tc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPxlhGSG0tc).

wrp 3y ago

Some current systems already have trouble at night. I would expect vision based systems to have even more trouble. Are there any CV based guidance systems?

z303 3y ago
The first to come to mind is the AGM-65 Maverick in both visible light and IR (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-65_Maverick https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-65_Maverick). Later version of the AIM-9 Sidewinder also have IR imaging seekers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-9_Sidewinder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-9_Sidewinder) as do the AIM-132 ASRAAM (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASRAAM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASRAAM). I'm sure there are a bunch of others.
- wrp 3y ago
  Need to clarify here. GP appeared to be asking about computer vision based systems, which would involve object recognition. The traditional vision systems such as you referenced are based on contrast detection.
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tivert 3y ago

> How long until vision based ‘AI’ systems make these kinds of counter measures obsolete? It seems like it should be straight forward for a multi-modal sensor package to combine with some basic physics logic (the airframe can only ‘move’ so much) which would defeat these types of counter measures. The vision based processing component should be able to filter out chaff and flare based disruption. And then the countermeasure can maybe just flash a weird pattern of light at the missile to confuse the ‘AI’ systems and it starts thinking the jet is a cloud (e.g. https://www.theregister.com/2017/11/06/mit_fooling_ai/ https://www.theregister.com/2017/11/06/mit_fooling_ai/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPxlhGSG0tc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPxlhGSG0tc).