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Granting admission based partially on race, and subsequently blocking another individual's admission based on their race always seemed to be a racist practice.

by rasse 3y ago

ofcourseyoudo 3y ago
How would you propose that institutions address the systemic bias that has favored white students from birth in this country for decades? Race-conscious admissions may indeed be the worst solution except for all of the other ones. Keep in mind that students are treated differently in damaging ways based on their race from kindergarten: "A September 2021 study published in the journal Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences found that teachers tended to complain more about Black students, particularly Black boys. These teachers identified Black students’ behavior as more problematic, compared with white students, the authors wrote, even though these differences “were not seen in directly observed behavior in the laboratory.” https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/half-of-the-250-kids-expelled-from-preschool-each-day-are-black-boys/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/half-of-the-250-k...
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 3y ago
  I am not in the US, so doesn't affect me directly, but as a white male, when if I'm excluded because I'm white, that feels like racism. I literally feel excluded because I'm white. All of this to say, I don't have a solution to your question, but that doesn't make the current answer a valid one. Racism is not solved with more racism, or the spiral of anger will continue
- rasse 3y ago
  I should've been more explicit in the fact that my comment wasn't primarily intended as a judgement or endorsement of the practice. I was just calling out the apparent racism. As for your question, for which I don't claim any expertise: I fully acknowledge the problem of systemic racism. I think the better an individual (both the oppressed and others) has control over their own actions and outcomes, the better. In this sense, quotas based on race would be worst solution, extra points based on race a little better, but less than optimal. As far as I'm concerned, if the problem is low application rate among minorities, actions should be aimed to boost these numbers. If the problem is poor performance on admission tests / GPA etc., actions should aim to boost these numbers.

Granting admission based partially on race, and subsequently blocking another individual's admission based on their race always seemed to be a racist practice.

by rasse 3y ago

Granting admission based partially on race, and subsequently blocking another individual's admission based on their race always seemed to be a racist practice.

ofcourseyoudo 3y ago

How would you propose that institutions address the systemic bias that has favored white students from birth in this country for decades? Race-conscious admissions may indeed be the worst solution except for all of the other ones. Keep in mind that students are treated differently in damaging ways based on their race from kindergarten: "A September 2021 study published in the journal Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences found that teachers tended to complain more about Black students, particularly Black boys. These teachers identified Black students’ behavior as more problematic, compared with white students, the authors wrote, even though these differences “were not seen in directly observed behavior in the laboratory.” https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/half-of-the-250-kids-expelled-from-preschool-each-day-are-black-boys/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/half-of-the-250-k...

Fire-Dragon-DoL 3y ago
I am not in the US, so doesn't affect me directly, but as a white male, when if I'm excluded because I'm white, that feels like racism. I literally feel excluded because I'm white. All of this to say, I don't have a solution to your question, but that doesn't make the current answer a valid one. Racism is not solved with more racism, or the spiral of anger will continue
rasse 3y ago
I should've been more explicit in the fact that my comment wasn't primarily intended as a judgement or endorsement of the practice. I was just calling out the apparent racism. As for your question, for which I don't claim any expertise: I fully acknowledge the problem of systemic racism. I think the better an individual (both the oppressed and others) has control over their own actions and outcomes, the better. In this sense, quotas based on race would be worst solution, extra points based on race a little better, but less than optimal. As far as I'm concerned, if the problem is low application rate among minorities, actions should be aimed to boost these numbers. If the problem is poor performance on admission tests / GPA etc., actions should aim to boost these numbers.