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Problematic users do tend to congregate on certain servers because they keep getting banned from better moderated ones. Eventually they find the ones that won't
by Stephen304 3y ago
Problematic users do tend to congregate on certain servers because they keep getting banned from better moderated ones. Eventually they find the ones that won't ban them, and now well moderated instances have an easy target to block them wholesale. That's how you end up with instances like explodingheads.
- jojobas 3y agoThe only caveat is that what's well moderated and what's not depends on who you ask.
- burnished 3y agoThat isnt a caveat so much as a fearure
- jojobas 3y agoImagine being unable to email someone because he holds an opinion that was the only one possible some 15 years ago, and think again.
- pixl97 3y agoI mean if that opinion was they can send commercial messages to unsolicited users I don't have to imagine at all. I've been on the internet long enough to remember the days before spam filters.
- HWR_14 3y agoFor pretty much any value of "an opinion that was the only one possible some 15 years ago", you are wrong. Other ideas were around at the time.
- cubefox 3y agoIt's more that at the time you could disagree on some things where now only one view is acceptable. The Overton window has narrowed substantially on certain subjects.
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- jojobas 3y agoIdeas are like that, paper can't blush. For a salient example, the idea of providing 12 year olds with puberty blockers and opposite sex hormones without their parents' consent didn't quite fly then, and today disagreeing with it puts you in quite a few naughty lists.
- HWR_14 3y ago"Ideas are controversial" is no where near "ideas weren't fathomable". There are several 24 news networks that make your exact example of "unallowed opinion" as a seemingly huge percentage of their content. But also, that's a complete strawman. No serious group I am advocates medical treatment without parental consent. There is a strong movement to let 12-year-old choose what pronouns to use in school even without parental consent.
- madeofpalk 3y agoThis is the point of federation though. It allows for different standards of moderation to actually exist. If you don't like the way a server moderates, then don't join it (or transfer to another server, which you can mostly do with Mastodon). Hell, run your own mastodon server (or use a "mastodon-as-a-service" service) which is pretty trivial for micro instances. The idea that there is one globally correct way to moderate is demonstratably completely untrue, regardless of what your actual views are. There must be multiple moderation standards that users can pick from.
- cubefox 3y agoI don't get why some people are so anxious to block alleged hate speech and supposed misinformation. Social networking sites already allow users to choose their own community simply by chosing whom they follow. Without federation. Why do we need additional segregation and polarization beyond that?
- burnished 3y agoYou're acting like the current methods aren't greeted with the same cries. To answer your question; because they are demonstrably required. Different subreddits already moderate to different standards - why do you insist that each community needs to fit in as part of the same whole?
- cubefox 3y agoBecause Reddit isn't a social networking site where you create your own community by following people. In Reddit other people create those communities, because Reddit is a forum.
- currency 3y agoI might talk about allegations and suppositions about an individual's behavior until I've seen evidence, but the hate and disinfo groups aren't imaginary. Groups that promote hate speech and misinformation do so by invading other communities and being disruptive. Brigading and doxxing have been their tools for a long time. Personally, I've seen that breaking up groups that promote hate speech and misinformation helps the remaining members to enjoy the community in peace.
- zzzeek 3y agowhat opinion is that? I've never heard of such a thing
- kazinator 3y agoBzzt. The article is wrong; e-mail isn't federated. It's decentralized.
- Stephen304 3y agoIt doesn't really matter whether the entire world agrees, only that each community comes to an agreement. Mastodon.social collectively agrees on one definition that excludes explodingheads that involves one view on hate speech and spam, and explodingheads collectively agrees on another definition that excludes mastodon.social and involves censorship and free speech. Both groups are happy.