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I am guessing you don’t work in the US. Formal work contracts that provide any real protections to the employee are essentially non-existent in the US. Best yo

I am guessing you don’t work in the US. Formal work contracts that provide any real protections to the employee are essentially non-existent in the US. Best you are going to get is a relocation bonus which won’t need to be paid back in this situation.

slaw 3y ago
In the US, formal work contract provide all protections written in it. You just most of the time don't negotiate any.
- javagram 3y ago
  Given that such a contract is extremely unusual (except for executives), attempting to negotiate it would usually be a nonstarter. The big corporation will just move on as trying to get their legal and accounting bureaucracy to approve such a contract would be too difficult for the hiring manager/recruiter even if they really want the candidate.
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    > Given that such a contract is extremely unusual Everyone keeps saying this and it's blowing my mind a little. I've only ever worked in the US -- but the only times I've worked (over a 4 decade career) without an employment contract was when I was working "unskilled" jobs: fast food, janitor, etc.
    - tharkun__ 3y ago
      I don't think your parent was trying to say that contracts existing are unusual. Just that being able to negotiate a contract that has such provisions and contingencies as you said you'd want to negotiate for are extremely unusual outside of executive positions. The truth probably lies somewhere in between but I do agree that it's not a common thing for your garden variety software developer to be able to negotiate such a thing with a corporation like Oracle. If you're the expert in relational algebra optimization, sure. If you're just another developer. Meh, I don't see it.
JohnFen 3y ago
I do work in the US. The experience I've had over my entire career is radically different than yours, it seems. > Formal work contracts that provide any real protections to the employee are essentially non-existent in the US. True, if you just sign what you're given. Not true if you actually negotiate. I don't think I've ever signed an employment contract without having some changes made to it first.

slaw 3y ago

In the US, formal work contract provide all protections written in it. You just most of the time don't negotiate any.

javagram 3y ago
Given that such a contract is extremely unusual (except for executives), attempting to negotiate it would usually be a nonstarter. The big corporation will just move on as trying to get their legal and accounting bureaucracy to approve such a contract would be too difficult for the hiring manager/recruiter even if they really want the candidate.
- JohnFen 3y ago
  > Given that such a contract is extremely unusual Everyone keeps saying this and it's blowing my mind a little. I've only ever worked in the US -- but the only times I've worked (over a 4 decade career) without an employment contract was when I was working "unskilled" jobs: fast food, janitor, etc.
  - tharkun__ 3y ago
    I don't think your parent was trying to say that contracts existing are unusual. Just that being able to negotiate a contract that has such provisions and contingencies as you said you'd want to negotiate for are extremely unusual outside of executive positions. The truth probably lies somewhere in between but I do agree that it's not a common thing for your garden variety software developer to be able to negotiate such a thing with a corporation like Oracle. If you're the expert in relational algebra optimization, sure. If you're just another developer. Meh, I don't see it.

JohnFen 3y ago

I do work in the US. The experience I've had over my entire career is radically different than yours, it seems. > Formal work contracts that provide any real protections to the employee are essentially non-existent in the US. True, if you just sign what you're given. Not true if you actually negotiate. I don't think I've ever signed an employment contract without having some changes made to it first.