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It's not exactly technical, so I get that it's not 100% "on-brand" for HN, however it is a little sad that the post has to be flagged. It feels like the commun

by samhuk 3y ago

It's not exactly technical, so I get that it's not 100% "on-brand" for HN, however it is a little sad that the post has to be flagged. It feels like the community isn't trusted with a political topic like this.

foogazi 3y ago
Isn’t the flagging done by the community?
lockhouse 3y ago
From the HN guidelines: > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.
- samhuk 3y ago
  That would be great, in theory, but: 1) This rule is not applied consistently, as we all know. 2) Doesn't the post represent new phenomenon? Has this thing happened before? (government taking real, tangible action against DEI in education, not just talk etc.). If not, then by guidelines, it should be ok, unless it's not "interesting" (whatever that means).
  - red-iron-pine 3y ago
    Affirmative Action -- or DEI as it's referred to these days -- isn't new, nor are any of the debates. It's been a 'wedge issue' since the 80s, with various pushes and initiatives, and push-backs. Standard culture war stuff. Nothing to see here.
    - samhuk 3y ago
      In my experience on HN, there have been plenty of unflagged/un-deranked posts regarding DEI. Remember when the harvard admissions scandal occurred? There is obviously "things to see here", in some cases. In this case, there indeed may be some new phenomenon, which is real, effectful action against DEI in education, by government (at least in a long time and as far as my memory serves me). Calling something you (you personally) don't like to see, don't find interesting, or don't agree with as "just stuff, nothing worth seeing", is not the right way to approach discourse in online forums, wouldn't you agree? Personally, i'm undecided on the DEI hot button, but what I'm more passionate about is open discourse about it, not more of your philosophy of shutting it down.
      - lockhouse 3y ago
        I like cats, but like politics, that topic is out of scope for HN. There’s so many other places to discuss politics, HN is at its best when it stays more on topic. All the political noise drowns out the signal here lately.
Simulacra 3y ago
No, usually political discussions devolve into libertarian bros versus left coast liberals. Basically rich, white neighbors yelling at each other, which accomplishes nothing.

by samhuk 3y ago

foogazi 3y ago

Isn’t the flagging done by the community?

lockhouse 3y ago

From the HN guidelines: > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic.

samhuk 3y ago
That would be great, in theory, but: 1) This rule is not applied consistently, as we all know. 2) Doesn't the post represent new phenomenon? Has this thing happened before? (government taking real, tangible action against DEI in education, not just talk etc.). If not, then by guidelines, it should be ok, unless it's not "interesting" (whatever that means).
- red-iron-pine 3y ago
  Affirmative Action -- or DEI as it's referred to these days -- isn't new, nor are any of the debates. It's been a 'wedge issue' since the 80s, with various pushes and initiatives, and push-backs. Standard culture war stuff. Nothing to see here.
  - samhuk 3y ago
    In my experience on HN, there have been plenty of unflagged/un-deranked posts regarding DEI. Remember when the harvard admissions scandal occurred? There is obviously "things to see here", in some cases. In this case, there indeed may be some new phenomenon, which is real, effectful action against DEI in education, by government (at least in a long time and as far as my memory serves me). Calling something you (you personally) don't like to see, don't find interesting, or don't agree with as "just stuff, nothing worth seeing", is not the right way to approach discourse in online forums, wouldn't you agree? Personally, i'm undecided on the DEI hot button, but what I'm more passionate about is open discourse about it, not more of your philosophy of shutting it down.
    - lockhouse 3y ago
      I like cats, but like politics, that topic is out of scope for HN. There’s so many other places to discuss politics, HN is at its best when it stays more on topic. All the political noise drowns out the signal here lately.

Simulacra 3y ago

No, usually political discussions devolve into libertarian bros versus left coast liberals. Basically rich, white neighbors yelling at each other, which accomplishes nothing.