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You know what could really make a difference? If the developers of Apolo and the rest added seamless support for fediverse. Maybe with a function to sync your

You know what could really make a difference? If the developers of Apolo and the rest added seamless support for fediverse. Maybe with a function to sync your stuff across reddit, twitter and these new places. So basically, you will continue using your favourite app and don't really notice that the "backend" has changed

fwn 3y ago
The creator of RedReader, the (AFAIK) only Android Reddit client that will stay available (presumably at least for a bit) outlined some thoughts along the lines of potential future fediverse/other platform support here: https://old.reddit.com/r/RedReader/comments/145du4j/update_4_redreader_granted_noncommercial/ https://old.reddit.com/r/RedReader/comments/145du4j/update_4...
clvx 3y ago
I’ve been preaching the same. I don’t care where I connect to as long as I have the information. It reminds me a lot to pidgin. As long as there’s a good incentive between the content servers and the UI’s, this could work.
contravariant 3y ago
I suppose, but really what you need to achieve that is not the app-developers modifying their apps, what you need is some bridge that exposes a reddit API on top of lemmy (or the fediverse in general). In theory anyone could build and run such a bridge, but I'm not sure if anyone has a strong incentive to make one.
babypuncher 3y ago
Unfortunately Christian Selig, creator of Apollo, doesn't seem very interested in doing this. I guess he just wants to move on to something else entirely.
- treyd 3y ago
  Has anyone proposed releasing the source under (A)GPL or similar and letting the community take it over?
  - fsckboy 3y ago
    with regard to (A)GPL, I don't know how/if this issue ever got resolved, but Apple has been scared of (at least) GPL3 and also GPL2, and (separately) the provisions of those licenses require you to provide for downloads of the source, but the Apple app store does not provide for that, so it's been a grey area sort of from both directions
    - TylerE 3y ago
      They do not require making downloads available. Source must be provided on request.
    - simfree 3y ago
      There are plenty of AGPLv3 apps on the Apple App store today, please don't spread FUD. https://github.com/tigase/siskin-im/issues/103 https://github.com/tigase/siskin-im/issues/103
Lerc 3y ago
They're kind-of falling into the trap that a lot of Bitcoin proponents have. Decentralization is great for limiting the control of a single entity. A centralized service is still much more usable. The approach you suggest is, I believe, the answer. Provide a service that makes it all seem like one thing. The user doesn't have to know unless the centralizer misbehaves, but if that happens the decentralized back end would allow people to go elsewhere, In-turn the ability to go elsewhere keeps the centralizer honest. The same could maybe be done with Bitcoin. Perhaps one day, after all of the hype and snake-oil fades away there might be entities that do a similar service hiding the back-end. We'd probably call them Banks.
- croutonwagon 3y ago
  > A centralized service is still much more usable. There are some tweaks and modifications that can make the decentralized nature of these services still appear centralized. Specific to lemmy adding the ability to categorize communities and sort by said categories (ala multireddits) would go a long way. Additionally adding some type of search in the sidebar to find other like communities would help. There’s already some bookmarked etc that will modify URLs to format them to your instance correctly. I would bet this gets committed to the core UI app at some point. Making sign ups easier would go a long way too. Some of the drama with bigger instances defederating will help sort this out. I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s a proxies sign up service that will randomly put you on an instance once most of the above is sorted. Finally, being able to transfer your account will be huge. Keep in mind some of these services are brand new (ie: Kbin) And others are seeing very rapid growth that’s helping them mature quickly (ie: lemmy).
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- jeena 3y ago
  For chat-like services I am hosting my own Matrix server with all the bridges to WhatsApp, Signal, Discourse, Slack, Telegram, etc. the UX is not perfect yet but it works well enough that I to 95% don't open the original apps/websites anymore.
bloopernova 3y ago
I'd pay a subscription to RIF or Apollo if some of it was funneled to the hosts/communities I use. The 'verse (lol!) is pretty amazing. Yes it's a cliche but You Can't Stop The Signal.
reaperman 3y ago
The real answer is that Apollo should be like a modern reddit-ized RSS reader. Each subreddit should be self-hosted on their own one-click cloud VM deployment. "Subscribing" to a subreddit on Apollo should connect the user's client to auto-pull feeds from the "self-hosted" server. The servers themselves should get hands-off auto-updates for security patches/etc in the same way that any end-user desktop or mobile app gets updates. That gives each subreddit total control over moderation. It gives users total control over what subreddits they want to see on their feed. It eliminates the decentralized/federated pain. Anyone wanna build this with me? Email newrssreddit@protonmail.com
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- TylerE 3y ago
  Who pays for all these servers?
  - reaperman 3y ago
    Whoever is hosting the subreddit. This model would be particularly useful for content creators and organizations who need a space for their community.
  - predictabl3 3y ago
    Not a VC backed company.
- jeena 3y ago
  Your description sounds to me practically exactly to what lemmy and /kbin do. If you want to host a subreddit (community) you have to set up a server to be able to host that community. On that community you have full controll over moderation, etc. And then people can subscribe to that community if they want to and read about it either in their app or the frontend of their own instance.
  - reaperman 3y ago

fwn 3y ago

The creator of RedReader, the (AFAIK) only Android Reddit client that will stay available (presumably at least for a bit) outlined some thoughts along the lines of potential future fediverse/other platform support here: https://old.reddit.com/r/RedReader/comments/145du4j/update_4_redreader_granted_noncommercial/ https://old.reddit.com/r/RedReader/comments/145du4j/update_4...

clvx 3y ago

I’ve been preaching the same. I don’t care where I connect to as long as I have the information. It reminds me a lot to pidgin. As long as there’s a good incentive between the content servers and the UI’s, this could work.

contravariant 3y ago

I suppose, but really what you need to achieve that is not the app-developers modifying their apps, what you need is some bridge that exposes a reddit API on top of lemmy (or the fediverse in general). In theory anyone could build and run such a bridge, but I'm not sure if anyone has a strong incentive to make one.

babypuncher 3y ago

Unfortunately Christian Selig, creator of Apollo, doesn't seem very interested in doing this. I guess he just wants to move on to something else entirely.

treyd 3y ago
Has anyone proposed releasing the source under (A)GPL or similar and letting the community take it over?
- fsckboy 3y ago
  with regard to (A)GPL, I don't know how/if this issue ever got resolved, but Apple has been scared of (at least) GPL3 and also GPL2, and (separately) the provisions of those licenses require you to provide for downloads of the source, but the Apple app store does not provide for that, so it's been a grey area sort of from both directions
  - TylerE 3y ago
    They do not require making downloads available. Source must be provided on request.
  - simfree 3y ago
    There are plenty of AGPLv3 apps on the Apple App store today, please don't spread FUD. https://github.com/tigase/siskin-im/issues/103 https://github.com/tigase/siskin-im/issues/103

Lerc 3y ago

They're kind-of falling into the trap that a lot of Bitcoin proponents have. Decentralization is great for limiting the control of a single entity. A centralized service is still much more usable. The approach you suggest is, I believe, the answer. Provide a service that makes it all seem like one thing. The user doesn't have to know unless the centralizer misbehaves, but if that happens the decentralized back end would allow people to go elsewhere, In-turn the ability to go elsewhere keeps the centralizer honest. The same could maybe be done with Bitcoin. Perhaps one day, after all of the hype and snake-oil fades away there might be entities that do a similar service hiding the back-end. We'd probably call them Banks.

croutonwagon 3y ago
> A centralized service is still much more usable. There are some tweaks and modifications that can make the decentralized nature of these services still appear centralized. Specific to lemmy adding the ability to categorize communities and sort by said categories (ala multireddits) would go a long way. Additionally adding some type of search in the sidebar to find other like communities would help. There’s already some bookmarked etc that will modify URLs to format them to your instance correctly. I would bet this gets committed to the core UI app at some point. Making sign ups easier would go a long way too. Some of the drama with bigger instances defederating will help sort this out. I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s a proxies sign up service that will randomly put you on an instance once most of the above is sorted. Finally, being able to transfer your account will be huge. Keep in mind some of these services are brand new (ie: Kbin) And others are seeing very rapid growth that’s helping them mature quickly (ie: lemmy).
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jeena 3y ago
For chat-like services I am hosting my own Matrix server with all the bridges to WhatsApp, Signal, Discourse, Slack, Telegram, etc. the UX is not perfect yet but it works well enough that I to 95% don't open the original apps/websites anymore.

bloopernova 3y ago

I'd pay a subscription to RIF or Apollo if some of it was funneled to the hosts/communities I use. The 'verse (lol!) is pretty amazing. Yes it's a cliche but You Can't Stop The Signal.

reaperman 3y ago

The real answer is that Apollo should be like a modern reddit-ized RSS reader. Each subreddit should be self-hosted on their own one-click cloud VM deployment. "Subscribing" to a subreddit on Apollo should connect the user's client to auto-pull feeds from the "self-hosted" server. The servers themselves should get hands-off auto-updates for security patches/etc in the same way that any end-user desktop or mobile app gets updates. That gives each subreddit total control over moderation. It gives users total control over what subreddits they want to see on their feed. It eliminates the decentralized/federated pain. Anyone wanna build this with me? Email newrssreddit@protonmail.com

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TylerE 3y ago
Who pays for all these servers?
- reaperman 3y ago
  Whoever is hosting the subreddit. This model would be particularly useful for content creators and organizations who need a space for their community.
- predictabl3 3y ago
  Not a VC backed company.
jeena 3y ago
Your description sounds to me practically exactly to what lemmy and /kbin do. If you want to host a subreddit (community) you have to set up a server to be able to host that community. On that community you have full controll over moderation, etc. And then people can subscribe to that community if they want to and read about it either in their app or the frontend of their own instance.
- reaperman 3y ago