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What problem are you alluding to? These offices are unnecessary. There is nothing “progressive” about making making decisions about admissions or hiring based

What problem are you alluding to? These offices are unnecessary. There is nothing “progressive” about making making decisions about admissions or hiring based upon irrelevant things like race, gender, or sexual identity.

tibbydudeza 3y ago
And you seem to forget that the Supreme Court had a case called Brown vs Dept Of Education in 1954 - not 1854 or 1754 but70 years ago. Do you think enough time has elapsed to make the issue moot in some US states ???.
- eindiran 3y ago
  So long enough ago that the youngest voters of the time would be 87 today, significantly more than 1 sigma over the median life expectancy in the US?
- _2z1p 3y ago
  There are people who are trying to bring back segregation, but they aren’t white conservatives: https://arrow-journal.org/why-people-of-color-need-spaces-without-white-people/ https://arrow-journal.org/why-people-of-color-need-spaces-wi...
  - predictabl3 3y ago
    Minorities have congregated together, for all of history, for a reason.
tzs 3y ago
Gender can be relevant, because at many full time universities the students live there and much of the social life is there. A good example was Caltech in 70s and 80s. When I was started there in the late '70s it was around 85%/15% male/female. Caltech is a hard school. There isn't a lot of time left over to develop much of a social life outside of campus. Whatever social life you had was going to be mostly on campus. On campus that 85/15 ratio made any kind of normal social life for the majority of the heterosexual male students very unlikely, leading to a lot of unhappy males. It was no picnic for the women either--they sometimes got overwhelmed at the amount of male attention almost constantly on them. In that kind of environment academics are affected. I knew a lot of people who definitely would have done better in class if they had been at a school that was just like Caltech except with a more balanced gender ratio. Caltech put a lot of effort in to boost the female percentage. They didn't give women any admissions preference or lower admission standards for women, but they did try to find high school girls who were qualified and convince them to apply to Caltech. Nowadays they are something like almost 60/40.
foogazi 3y ago
DEI is way more than decisions about admissions and hiring

tibbydudeza 3y ago

And you seem to forget that the Supreme Court had a case called Brown vs Dept Of Education in 1954 - not 1854 or 1754 but70 years ago. Do you think enough time has elapsed to make the issue moot in some US states ???.

eindiran 3y ago
So long enough ago that the youngest voters of the time would be 87 today, significantly more than 1 sigma over the median life expectancy in the US?
_2z1p 3y ago
There are people who are trying to bring back segregation, but they aren’t white conservatives: https://arrow-journal.org/why-people-of-color-need-spaces-without-white-people/ https://arrow-journal.org/why-people-of-color-need-spaces-wi...
- predictabl3 3y ago
  Minorities have congregated together, for all of history, for a reason.

tzs 3y ago

Gender can be relevant, because at many full time universities the students live there and much of the social life is there. A good example was Caltech in 70s and 80s. When I was started there in the late '70s it was around 85%/15% male/female. Caltech is a hard school. There isn't a lot of time left over to develop much of a social life outside of campus. Whatever social life you had was going to be mostly on campus. On campus that 85/15 ratio made any kind of normal social life for the majority of the heterosexual male students very unlikely, leading to a lot of unhappy males. It was no picnic for the women either--they sometimes got overwhelmed at the amount of male attention almost constantly on them. In that kind of environment academics are affected. I knew a lot of people who definitely would have done better in class if they had been at a school that was just like Caltech except with a more balanced gender ratio. Caltech put a lot of effort in to boost the female percentage. They didn't give women any admissions preference or lower admission standards for women, but they did try to find high school girls who were qualified and convince them to apply to Caltech. Nowadays they are something like almost 60/40.

foogazi 3y ago

DEI is way more than decisions about admissions and hiring