9 ms·

Eight days later: Kbin, Lemmy, the landed gentry, and the rise of “threadiverse”

171 points by srameshc 3y ago

kramerger 3y ago
You know what could really make a difference? If the developers of Apolo and the rest added seamless support for fediverse. Maybe with a function to sync your stuff across reddit, twitter and these new places. So basically, you will continue using your favourite app and don't really notice that the "backend" has changed
- fwn 3y ago
  The creator of RedReader, the (AFAIK) only Android Reddit client that will stay available (presumably at least for a bit) outlined some thoughts along the lines of potential future fediverse/other platform support here: https://old.reddit.com/r/RedReader/comments/145du4j/update_4_redreader_granted_noncommercial/ https://old.reddit.com/r/RedReader/comments/145du4j/update_4...
- clvx 3y ago
  I’ve been preaching the same. I don’t care where I connect to as long as I have the information. It reminds me a lot to pidgin. As long as there’s a good incentive between the content servers and the UI’s, this could work.
- contravariant 3y ago
  I suppose, but really what you need to achieve that is not the app-developers modifying their apps, what you need is some bridge that exposes a reddit API on top of lemmy (or the fediverse in general). In theory anyone could build and run such a bridge, but I'm not sure if anyone has a strong incentive to make one.
- babypuncher 3y ago
  Unfortunately Christian Selig, creator of Apollo, doesn't seem very interested in doing this. I guess he just wants to move on to something else entirely.
  - treyd 3y ago
    Has anyone proposed releasing the source under (A)GPL or similar and letting the community take it over?
    - fsckboy 3y ago
      with regard to (A)GPL, I don't know how/if this issue ever got resolved, but Apple has been scared of (at least) GPL3 and also GPL2, and (separately) the provisions of those licenses require you to provide for downloads of the source, but the Apple app store does not provide for that, so it's been a grey area sort of from both directions
      - TylerE 3y ago
        They do not require making downloads available. Source must be provided on request.
      - simfree 3y ago
        There are plenty of AGPLv3 apps on the Apple App store today, please don't spread FUD. https://github.com/tigase/siskin-im/issues/103 https://github.com/tigase/siskin-im/issues/103
- Lerc 3y ago
  They're kind-of falling into the trap that a lot of Bitcoin proponents have. Decentralization is great for limiting the control of a single entity. A centralized service is still much more usable. The approach you suggest is, I believe, the answer. Provide a service that makes it all seem like one thing. The user doesn't have to know unless the centralizer misbehaves, but if that happens the decentralized back end would allow people to go elsewhere, In-turn the ability to go elsewhere keeps the centralizer honest. The same could maybe be done with Bitcoin. Perhaps one day, after all of the hype and snake-oil fades away there might be entities that do a similar service hiding the back-end. We'd probably call them Banks.
  - croutonwagon 3y ago
    > A centralized service is still much more usable. There are some tweaks and modifications that can make the decentralized nature of these services still appear centralized. Specific to lemmy adding the ability to categorize communities and sort by said categories (ala multireddits) would go a long way. Additionally adding some type of search in the sidebar to find other like communities would help. There’s already some bookmarked etc that will modify URLs to format them to your instance correctly. I would bet this gets committed to the core UI app at some point. Making sign ups easier would go a long way too. Some of the drama with bigger instances defederating will help sort this out. I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s a proxies sign up service that will randomly put you on an instance once most of the above is sorted. Finally, being able to transfer your account will be huge. Keep in mind some of these services are brand new (ie: Kbin) And others are seeing very rapid growth that’s helping them mature quickly (ie: lemmy).
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
  - jeena 3y ago
    For chat-like services I am hosting my own Matrix server with all the bridges to WhatsApp, Signal, Discourse, Slack, Telegram, etc. the UX is not perfect yet but it works well enough that I to 95% don't open the original apps/websites anymore.
- bloopernova 3y ago
  I'd pay a subscription to RIF or Apollo if some of it was funneled to the hosts/communities I use. The 'verse (lol!) is pretty amazing. Yes it's a cliche but You Can't Stop The Signal.
- reaperman 3y ago
  The real answer is that Apollo should be like a modern reddit-ized RSS reader. Each subreddit should be self-hosted on their own one-click cloud VM deployment. "Subscribing" to a subreddit on Apollo should connect the user's client to auto-pull feeds from the "self-hosted" server. The servers themselves should get hands-off auto-updates for security patches/etc in the same way that any end-user desktop or mobile app gets updates. That gives each subreddit total control over moderation. It gives users total control over what subreddits they want to see on their feed. It eliminates the decentralized/federated pain. Anyone wanna build this with me? Email newrssreddit@protonmail.com
  - deleted 3y ago
    [deleted]
  - TylerE 3y ago
    Who pays for all these servers?
    - reaperman 3y ago
      Whoever is hosting the subreddit. This model would be particularly useful for content creators and organizations who need a space for their community.
    - predictabl3 3y ago
      Not a VC backed company.
  - jeena 3y ago
    Your description sounds to me practically exactly to what lemmy and /kbin do. If you want to host a subreddit (community) you have to set up a server to be able to host that community. On that community you have full controll over moderation, etc. And then people can subscribe to that community if they want to and read about it either in their app or the frontend of their own instance.
    - reaperman 3y ago
bhouston 3y ago
I think this is phenomenal. I do not find the internet for Lemmy.ml accessible though yet -- for some reason whenever I visit the instance I signed up for it shows the same stories: https://sh.itjust.works https://sh.itjust.works. This CPP article has been there for days and it is a total red herring.
- assbuttbuttass 3y ago
  The default sorting method of "active" seems to be broken. Sorting by "new" or "new comments" will give you more fresh posts
  - kgwxd 3y ago
    I'm just starting today but Top Day All seems most like r/all. I added it to my RSS reader and there's a lot of the same stories posted on both. I added new, hot and active to my reader to see how they update. Active seems usable. Hot is way too noisy.
- TylerE 3y ago
  SJW got de-federated by a lot of the larger instances for spewing spam/hate.
spicyusername 3y ago
It really feels as though something is concretely shifting. I am looking into standing up a Lemmy instance myself after enjoying perusing a few of the other communities.
- tuchsen 3y ago
  Yeah I've switched to Lemmy too. Signed up for "Behaw" and "Lemmy.world" because the main instance has some controversy attached to it. It was just slightly more difficult to get started, but the user experience so far has been pretty close to Reddit when using the "mlem" app on iOS. It's early days still, bugs need to be worked out, but I've not been back to Reddit since switching, it's good enough. It's only a matter of time before someone comes along and make an easy client that integrates multiple instances together into a seamless experience.
- latency-guy2 3y ago
  I haven't touched any of mastodon, kbin, or lemmy. I don't think much is changing at all.
  - spicyusername 3y ago
    That makes sense. When you don't do something, you don't know about it.
    - latency-guy2 3y ago
      Is that how that works? Are you sure you're not overvaluing your beliefs?
      - fsflover 3y ago
        "I haven't touched any of your pesky, problematic internets. I go to clubs, enjoy traveling and hang out with girls. I don't think much is changing at all."
        3y ago
kgwxd 3y ago
I started an account on SDF's Lemmy instance today. Got a 3 letter name and I trust them to keep it alive for the long haul :) I haven't missed Reddit all day. The only reason I went there was to see if any subs I frequent had an official announcement of moving. Finding niche communities is pretty simple and they're mostly healthy. It was a tad confusing at first but, once I picked an instance to join, it only took a few minutes to figure out how to navigate it. My biggest hurtle was not knowing about the "All" button at the top, they should do more to emphasize that. IMO it should be the default. [0] https://lemmy.sdf.org/ https://lemmy.sdf.org/
- award_ 3y ago
  Thanks for the heads up, I totally blanked on signing up through SDF. I have other accounts through them, hoping to use them for a Lemmy homebase as well.
- beej71 3y ago
  I love SDF--good nostalgia for the way the net used to be. Just bought 5 more years of MetaARPA-level membership a few days ago.
genericlogic 3y ago
I honestly don't care about the whole API drama, but I've been looking to get off reddit for awhile now. I switched over to Lemmy and committed to a week of usage. It's rough around the edges but it works. I'm in. Haven't been back to reddit and don't plan to.
- JackMorgan 3y ago
  Same here, it's good enough
- bazmattaz 3y ago
  I too find Lenny rough around the edges. My concern is that it looks like it was built by developers for developers. Is it attractive enough to your average non technical Reddit user just looking for a few memes or whatever? I’m not so sure
rektide 3y ago
Do any fediverse clients span both Mastadon style posting & more forum based systems?
- tuchsen 3y ago
  I only tried it briefly, but Kbin has a microblog tab where people can just post comments. Also if you look at the "/instances" list on a Lemmy instance they at least federate with Mastadon (as well as Kbin) instances, although I've not seen that exposed in the interface at all.
dotnet00 3y ago
It's a shame reddit went this way, but quitting reddit has been amazing for my productivity. It's great to not be feeling like the entire day whizzed past without being able to make as much headway on hobbies as I'd have liked. One of these days I'll get around to setting up a lemmy or kbin node for my friends (assuming that our existing misskey node can't talk to kbin/lemmy).
bloopernova 3y ago
I was initially confused by the Jerboa Android app, and felt like I wasn't going to like the threadiverse. (Which is a great portmanteau BTW) But then I tried beehaw.org on a desktop web browser and everything clicked. The non-mobile UX is much better, in my opinion, than mobile currently is. Being able to block certain people or communities makes the idle browsing experience much nicer for me. I'm hoping that some of the better reddit 3rd party app developers will make something for the threadiverse because I think it's sorely needed. It's still very early days though. Communities still need more tools to deal with bad actors. However I'm really impressed with how the chaos has begun to organize and evolve.
- marcod 3y ago
  The same devs who work on the Lemmy core and UI, also do Jerboa on the side. It's not their focus and given the sudden influx of users they likely won't have a lot of time to devote to it. https://beehaw.org/c/jerboa@lemmy.ml https://beehaw.org/c/jerboa@lemmy.ml Alternatives are in the works, for example, https://beehaw.org/post/647773 https://beehaw.org/post/647773
  - bloopernova 3y ago
    Ah, that makes sense, thank you for the extra information!
Havoc 3y ago
Really impressed with how clean and fast the interfaces of all these are. Even more so than old.Reddit Haven’t quite worked out whether beginners should join an existing instance or create their own though. Own one man instance seems safer but that presumably limits interactions
EwanG 3y ago
Any of these alternatives that have an active Anime and/or Manga community? The few links I've seen suggest "not so much", but I'm not certain I'm looking at the right things. +1 if they also have a Photography community (why yes, I am a multitude) :-)
- chaorace 3y ago
  I'm glad you asked! First, some resources: - Community Browser: https://lemmyverse.net/communities https://lemmyverse.net/communities - Anime Community Compilation: https://sopuli.xyz/post/779648 https://sopuli.xyz/post/779648 In my experience, these have been the most reliable for seasonal anime episode discussions: - https://lemmy.ml/c/anime https://lemmy.ml/c/anime - https://lemmy.world/c/anime https://lemmy.world/c/anime I haven't browsed the manga communities as much, but so far these have been good for chapter discussions: - https://lemmy.ml/c/manga https://lemmy.ml/c/manga - https://feddit.de/c/manga https://feddit.de/c/manga
karlshea 3y ago
Lemmy has the same issue as Mastodon: what instance do I join? When looking at the "migrate from Reddit" page the two obvious ones are lemmy.world and beehaw.org. But now they don't federate with each other, so it's down to more special-interest and smaller instances where it's not really clear what some of the rules might be, just to be able to see posts from both of these bigger instances. The comparison is always made to picking a place for your email where Gmail/Yahoo/Hotmail were all "the same", but that's not really true for federated social networks. There's quite a bit more mod actions that could significantly influence your reach or experience with the wider fediverse.
- notatoad 3y ago
  >the two obvious ones are lemmy.world and beehaw.org. But now they don't federate with each other doesn't that make it essentially the same decision as if you were joining any other non-federated web service? on what criteria did you decide to sign up for facebook vs twitter? or reddit vs digg?
  - stOneskull 3y ago
    you'll still be federated with mastodon and kbin if you make a lemmy.world account. i personally just made an account on all 3, and time will tell what i use most and what becomes like a default.
- tuchsen 3y ago
  Is it weird that I don't really mind the splintering? Have massive social networks really been a net positive for society? It seems like, depending on how they're moderated, they'll end up in some local maxima of rage baiting and trolling (Twitter, Facebook four years ago) or a super sanitized dumb feed of cutesy content (TikTok, Facebook now, and soon Reddit). You always get defenders of these networks that say if you do X/Y/Z and not A/B/C, then you'll get value out of them. My X, Y, and Z formula for Reddit over the last couple of years has been to ignore the larger communities and focus only on interesting niche content. I think that's how a lot of other people use it, for the long tail of actually interesting content. And hell, I don't think you need the massive network effects of the larger social networks to make that work.
jeena 3y ago
Yesterday I recorded a video called "Introduction to Fediverse Reddit alternatives: Lemmy, /kbin" in which I explain the Threadiverse a bit and show how it works in practice: https://tube.jeena.net/w/1PPQUhpzxiESV6xuKjeQav https://tube.jeena.net/w/1PPQUhpzxiESV6xuKjeQav
kaba0 3y ago
I was honestly baffled at how terrible Lemmy’s (default?) UI is.. it really does open a websocket for absolutely zero reason to each user, back navigation is completely broken, and it is just plain.. slow, things loading with huge delays and moving existing content around. Compare it to Tildes, which is just a godsent, comparatively. (Subjectively saying, it is better as a whole, but the objective difference in the UI/UX is just huge)
eschaton 3y ago
Not everything has to be ActivityPub. If you want to recreate Reddit, the protocol already exists: It’s called NNTP, and it’s already federated and there’s a variety of software out there for running sites from individual to Internet-scale.
- CaptainFever 3y ago
  I wonder how non-federated options (e.g. web forums) compare to federated options (e.g. ActivityPub (somewhat, since it’s not globally federated like NNTP), NNTP). Federation seems to come with disadvantages such as inefficiency and additional bad places for moderation to occur (e.g. if you’re on A, talking to someone from B, through the sublemmy on C, all 3 servers’ moderators can interfere. For web forums, that’s not the case, as only C (the web forum’s moderators) can interfere, whom you probably already trust). It does have an advantage: not needing to sign up to multiple web forums, but that can be solved with other methods such as IndieAuth or by allowing anonymous posting.
  - eschaton 3y ago
    The biggest advantage of ActivityPub, NNTP, etc. over any web forum is that you do not have to go to a bunch of different places in a browser and use a bunch of different UIs under a bunch of different identities for something that is fundamentally not all that different from email. Other than modern encryption, NNTP is perfectly usable on hardware that’s multiple decades old: Basically any 32-bit system with memory in the single-digit megabytes can run a newsreader, even a graphical one. I suspect the same is true for ActivityPub. And while that can be true for web forums, it almost never is, and mostly for aesthetic reasons.
smackeyacky 3y ago
Which one has more free naked ladies?
- timbit42 3y ago
  At this point, Mastodon has more pics and vids than Kbin or Lemmy.
etienne2 3y ago
[dead]

171 points by srameshc 3y ago

You know what could really make a difference? If the developers of Apolo and the rest added seamless support for fediverse. Maybe with a function to sync your stuff across reddit, twitter and these new places. So basically, you will continue using your favourite app and don't really notice that the "backend" has changed

fwn 3y ago
The creator of RedReader, the (AFAIK) only Android Reddit client that will stay available (presumably at least for a bit) outlined some thoughts along the lines of potential future fediverse/other platform support here: https://old.reddit.com/r/RedReader/comments/145du4j/update_4_redreader_granted_noncommercial/ https://old.reddit.com/r/RedReader/comments/145du4j/update_4...
clvx 3y ago
I’ve been preaching the same. I don’t care where I connect to as long as I have the information. It reminds me a lot to pidgin. As long as there’s a good incentive between the content servers and the UI’s, this could work.
contravariant 3y ago
I suppose, but really what you need to achieve that is not the app-developers modifying their apps, what you need is some bridge that exposes a reddit API on top of lemmy (or the fediverse in general). In theory anyone could build and run such a bridge, but I'm not sure if anyone has a strong incentive to make one.
babypuncher 3y ago
Unfortunately Christian Selig, creator of Apollo, doesn't seem very interested in doing this. I guess he just wants to move on to something else entirely.
- treyd 3y ago
  Has anyone proposed releasing the source under (A)GPL or similar and letting the community take it over?
  - fsckboy 3y ago
    with regard to (A)GPL, I don't know how/if this issue ever got resolved, but Apple has been scared of (at least) GPL3 and also GPL2, and (separately) the provisions of those licenses require you to provide for downloads of the source, but the Apple app store does not provide for that, so it's been a grey area sort of from both directions
    - TylerE 3y ago
      They do not require making downloads available. Source must be provided on request.
    - simfree 3y ago
      There are plenty of AGPLv3 apps on the Apple App store today, please don't spread FUD. https://github.com/tigase/siskin-im/issues/103 https://github.com/tigase/siskin-im/issues/103
Lerc 3y ago
They're kind-of falling into the trap that a lot of Bitcoin proponents have. Decentralization is great for limiting the control of a single entity. A centralized service is still much more usable. The approach you suggest is, I believe, the answer. Provide a service that makes it all seem like one thing. The user doesn't have to know unless the centralizer misbehaves, but if that happens the decentralized back end would allow people to go elsewhere, In-turn the ability to go elsewhere keeps the centralizer honest. The same could maybe be done with Bitcoin. Perhaps one day, after all of the hype and snake-oil fades away there might be entities that do a similar service hiding the back-end. We'd probably call them Banks.
- croutonwagon 3y ago
  > A centralized service is still much more usable. There are some tweaks and modifications that can make the decentralized nature of these services still appear centralized. Specific to lemmy adding the ability to categorize communities and sort by said categories (ala multireddits) would go a long way. Additionally adding some type of search in the sidebar to find other like communities would help. There’s already some bookmarked etc that will modify URLs to format them to your instance correctly. I would bet this gets committed to the core UI app at some point. Making sign ups easier would go a long way too. Some of the drama with bigger instances defederating will help sort this out. I wouldn’t be shocked if there’s a proxies sign up service that will randomly put you on an instance once most of the above is sorted. Finally, being able to transfer your account will be huge. Keep in mind some of these services are brand new (ie: Kbin) And others are seeing very rapid growth that’s helping them mature quickly (ie: lemmy).
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- jeena 3y ago
  For chat-like services I am hosting my own Matrix server with all the bridges to WhatsApp, Signal, Discourse, Slack, Telegram, etc. the UX is not perfect yet but it works well enough that I to 95% don't open the original apps/websites anymore.
bloopernova 3y ago
I'd pay a subscription to RIF or Apollo if some of it was funneled to the hosts/communities I use. The 'verse (lol!) is pretty amazing. Yes it's a cliche but You Can't Stop The Signal.
reaperman 3y ago
The real answer is that Apollo should be like a modern reddit-ized RSS reader. Each subreddit should be self-hosted on their own one-click cloud VM deployment. "Subscribing" to a subreddit on Apollo should connect the user's client to auto-pull feeds from the "self-hosted" server. The servers themselves should get hands-off auto-updates for security patches/etc in the same way that any end-user desktop or mobile app gets updates. That gives each subreddit total control over moderation. It gives users total control over what subreddits they want to see on their feed. It eliminates the decentralized/federated pain. Anyone wanna build this with me? Email newrssreddit@protonmail.com
- deleted 3y ago
  [deleted]
- TylerE 3y ago
  Who pays for all these servers?
  - reaperman 3y ago
    Whoever is hosting the subreddit. This model would be particularly useful for content creators and organizations who need a space for their community.
  - predictabl3 3y ago
    Not a VC backed company.
- jeena 3y ago
  Your description sounds to me practically exactly to what lemmy and /kbin do. If you want to host a subreddit (community) you have to set up a server to be able to host that community. On that community you have full controll over moderation, etc. And then people can subscribe to that community if they want to and read about it either in their app or the frontend of their own instance.
  - reaperman 3y ago

bhouston 3y ago

I think this is phenomenal. I do not find the internet for Lemmy.ml accessible though yet -- for some reason whenever I visit the instance I signed up for it shows the same stories: https://sh.itjust.works https://sh.itjust.works. This CPP article has been there for days and it is a total red herring.

assbuttbuttass 3y ago
The default sorting method of "active" seems to be broken. Sorting by "new" or "new comments" will give you more fresh posts
- kgwxd 3y ago
  I'm just starting today but Top Day All seems most like r/all. I added it to my RSS reader and there's a lot of the same stories posted on both. I added new, hot and active to my reader to see how they update. Active seems usable. Hot is way too noisy.
TylerE 3y ago
SJW got de-federated by a lot of the larger instances for spewing spam/hate.

spicyusername 3y ago

It really feels as though something is concretely shifting. I am looking into standing up a Lemmy instance myself after enjoying perusing a few of the other communities.

tuchsen 3y ago
Yeah I've switched to Lemmy too. Signed up for "Behaw" and "Lemmy.world" because the main instance has some controversy attached to it. It was just slightly more difficult to get started, but the user experience so far has been pretty close to Reddit when using the "mlem" app on iOS. It's early days still, bugs need to be worked out, but I've not been back to Reddit since switching, it's good enough. It's only a matter of time before someone comes along and make an easy client that integrates multiple instances together into a seamless experience.
latency-guy2 3y ago
I haven't touched any of mastodon, kbin, or lemmy. I don't think much is changing at all.
- spicyusername 3y ago
  That makes sense. When you don't do something, you don't know about it.
  - latency-guy2 3y ago
    Is that how that works? Are you sure you're not overvaluing your beliefs?
    - fsflover 3y ago
      "I haven't touched any of your pesky, problematic internets. I go to clubs, enjoy traveling and hang out with girls. I don't think much is changing at all."
      - 3y ago

kgwxd 3y ago

I started an account on SDF's Lemmy instance today. Got a 3 letter name and I trust them to keep it alive for the long haul :) I haven't missed Reddit all day. The only reason I went there was to see if any subs I frequent had an official announcement of moving. Finding niche communities is pretty simple and they're mostly healthy. It was a tad confusing at first but, once I picked an instance to join, it only took a few minutes to figure out how to navigate it. My biggest hurtle was not knowing about the "All" button at the top, they should do more to emphasize that. IMO it should be the default. [0] https://lemmy.sdf.org/ https://lemmy.sdf.org/

award_ 3y ago
Thanks for the heads up, I totally blanked on signing up through SDF. I have other accounts through them, hoping to use them for a Lemmy homebase as well.
beej71 3y ago
I love SDF--good nostalgia for the way the net used to be. Just bought 5 more years of MetaARPA-level membership a few days ago.

genericlogic 3y ago

I honestly don't care about the whole API drama, but I've been looking to get off reddit for awhile now. I switched over to Lemmy and committed to a week of usage. It's rough around the edges but it works. I'm in. Haven't been back to reddit and don't plan to.

JackMorgan 3y ago
Same here, it's good enough
bazmattaz 3y ago
I too find Lenny rough around the edges. My concern is that it looks like it was built by developers for developers. Is it attractive enough to your average non technical Reddit user just looking for a few memes or whatever? I’m not so sure

rektide 3y ago

Do any fediverse clients span both Mastadon style posting & more forum based systems?

tuchsen 3y ago
I only tried it briefly, but Kbin has a microblog tab where people can just post comments. Also if you look at the "/instances" list on a Lemmy instance they at least federate with Mastadon (as well as Kbin) instances, although I've not seen that exposed in the interface at all.

dotnet00 3y ago

It's a shame reddit went this way, but quitting reddit has been amazing for my productivity. It's great to not be feeling like the entire day whizzed past without being able to make as much headway on hobbies as I'd have liked. One of these days I'll get around to setting up a lemmy or kbin node for my friends (assuming that our existing misskey node can't talk to kbin/lemmy).

bloopernova 3y ago

I was initially confused by the Jerboa Android app, and felt like I wasn't going to like the threadiverse. (Which is a great portmanteau BTW) But then I tried beehaw.org on a desktop web browser and everything clicked. The non-mobile UX is much better, in my opinion, than mobile currently is. Being able to block certain people or communities makes the idle browsing experience much nicer for me. I'm hoping that some of the better reddit 3rd party app developers will make something for the threadiverse because I think it's sorely needed. It's still very early days though. Communities still need more tools to deal with bad actors. However I'm really impressed with how the chaos has begun to organize and evolve.

marcod 3y ago
The same devs who work on the Lemmy core and UI, also do Jerboa on the side. It's not their focus and given the sudden influx of users they likely won't have a lot of time to devote to it. https://beehaw.org/c/jerboa@lemmy.ml https://beehaw.org/c/jerboa@lemmy.ml Alternatives are in the works, for example, https://beehaw.org/post/647773 https://beehaw.org/post/647773
- bloopernova 3y ago
  Ah, that makes sense, thank you for the extra information!

Havoc 3y ago

Really impressed with how clean and fast the interfaces of all these are. Even more so than old.Reddit Haven’t quite worked out whether beginners should join an existing instance or create their own though. Own one man instance seems safer but that presumably limits interactions

EwanG 3y ago

Any of these alternatives that have an active Anime and/or Manga community? The few links I've seen suggest "not so much", but I'm not certain I'm looking at the right things. +1 if they also have a Photography community (why yes, I am a multitude) :-)

chaorace 3y ago
I'm glad you asked! First, some resources: - Community Browser: https://lemmyverse.net/communities https://lemmyverse.net/communities - Anime Community Compilation: https://sopuli.xyz/post/779648 https://sopuli.xyz/post/779648 In my experience, these have been the most reliable for seasonal anime episode discussions: - https://lemmy.ml/c/anime https://lemmy.ml/c/anime - https://lemmy.world/c/anime https://lemmy.world/c/anime I haven't browsed the manga communities as much, but so far these have been good for chapter discussions: - https://lemmy.ml/c/manga https://lemmy.ml/c/manga - https://feddit.de/c/manga https://feddit.de/c/manga

karlshea 3y ago

Lemmy has the same issue as Mastodon: what instance do I join? When looking at the "migrate from Reddit" page the two obvious ones are lemmy.world and beehaw.org. But now they don't federate with each other, so it's down to more special-interest and smaller instances where it's not really clear what some of the rules might be, just to be able to see posts from both of these bigger instances. The comparison is always made to picking a place for your email where Gmail/Yahoo/Hotmail were all "the same", but that's not really true for federated social networks. There's quite a bit more mod actions that could significantly influence your reach or experience with the wider fediverse.

notatoad 3y ago
>the two obvious ones are lemmy.world and beehaw.org. But now they don't federate with each other doesn't that make it essentially the same decision as if you were joining any other non-federated web service? on what criteria did you decide to sign up for facebook vs twitter? or reddit vs digg?
- stOneskull 3y ago
  you'll still be federated with mastodon and kbin if you make a lemmy.world account. i personally just made an account on all 3, and time will tell what i use most and what becomes like a default.
tuchsen 3y ago
Is it weird that I don't really mind the splintering? Have massive social networks really been a net positive for society? It seems like, depending on how they're moderated, they'll end up in some local maxima of rage baiting and trolling (Twitter, Facebook four years ago) or a super sanitized dumb feed of cutesy content (TikTok, Facebook now, and soon Reddit). You always get defenders of these networks that say if you do X/Y/Z and not A/B/C, then you'll get value out of them. My X, Y, and Z formula for Reddit over the last couple of years has been to ignore the larger communities and focus only on interesting niche content. I think that's how a lot of other people use it, for the long tail of actually interesting content. And hell, I don't think you need the massive network effects of the larger social networks to make that work.

jeena 3y ago

Yesterday I recorded a video called "Introduction to Fediverse Reddit alternatives: Lemmy, /kbin" in which I explain the Threadiverse a bit and show how it works in practice: https://tube.jeena.net/w/1PPQUhpzxiESV6xuKjeQav https://tube.jeena.net/w/1PPQUhpzxiESV6xuKjeQav

kaba0 3y ago

I was honestly baffled at how terrible Lemmy’s (default?) UI is.. it really does open a websocket for absolutely zero reason to each user, back navigation is completely broken, and it is just plain.. slow, things loading with huge delays and moving existing content around. Compare it to Tildes, which is just a godsent, comparatively. (Subjectively saying, it is better as a whole, but the objective difference in the UI/UX is just huge)

eschaton 3y ago

Not everything has to be ActivityPub. If you want to recreate Reddit, the protocol already exists: It’s called NNTP, and it’s already federated and there’s a variety of software out there for running sites from individual to Internet-scale.

CaptainFever 3y ago
I wonder how non-federated options (e.g. web forums) compare to federated options (e.g. ActivityPub (somewhat, since it’s not globally federated like NNTP), NNTP). Federation seems to come with disadvantages such as inefficiency and additional bad places for moderation to occur (e.g. if you’re on A, talking to someone from B, through the sublemmy on C, all 3 servers’ moderators can interfere. For web forums, that’s not the case, as only C (the web forum’s moderators) can interfere, whom you probably already trust). It does have an advantage: not needing to sign up to multiple web forums, but that can be solved with other methods such as IndieAuth or by allowing anonymous posting.
- eschaton 3y ago
  The biggest advantage of ActivityPub, NNTP, etc. over any web forum is that you do not have to go to a bunch of different places in a browser and use a bunch of different UIs under a bunch of different identities for something that is fundamentally not all that different from email. Other than modern encryption, NNTP is perfectly usable on hardware that’s multiple decades old: Basically any 32-bit system with memory in the single-digit megabytes can run a newsreader, even a graphical one. I suspect the same is true for ActivityPub. And while that can be true for web forums, it almost never is, and mostly for aesthetic reasons.

smackeyacky 3y ago

Which one has more free naked ladies?

timbit42 3y ago
At this point, Mastodon has more pics and vids than Kbin or Lemmy.

etienne2 3y ago

[dead]