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No, there are already devices which are not wall gardened. Use those. My argument is that I have bought a specific device (and everyone else also did) instead

No, there are already devices which are not wall gardened. Use those. My argument is that I have bought a specific device (and everyone else also did) instead of the other device being open. So I have already made a choice. Now you (or someone else) comes in and says: Well all of you obviously want this freedom that you chose not to have in the first place… Yeah I explicitly chose that and I know many people who made that choice. Because they want the piece of mind vs the sideloading. Again are there phones that allow it? Yes, and people have decided not to buy those. My point is - respect that choice and don’t tell ppl (general public) that they want something because it’s more profitable to the developers. I do expect a future conversation to go like this: Scammer: Madam, go into your settings and enable side loading. It will then connect to your bank account and I will… Now click on the link I sent you to connect so I can help you Malware installed…

ixwt 3y ago
What harm is there to you if sideloading is enabled?
- martimarkov 3y ago
  Literally the new attack vector I described above. It’s one more thing to worry about.
  - ixwt 3y ago
    I think your proposed attack vector would look more like this: Scammer: Madam, go into your settings and enable side loading. It will then connect to your bank account and I will… Madam: Okay uuuuh... A big popup came up... It says... That I should not enable this setting unless I really know what I'm doing... And if someone is telling me to enable it then I should hang up the phone!!
    - bloody-crow 3y ago
      This is a totally unrealistic scenario. Victims of scam trust the person on the phone much more than their own ability to figure out what's going on. Scammers successfully convince people to manually disable every protection and dismiss every warning the computer throws at them regularly. No amount of software red tape is going to prevent scammers from sideloading malware on a device of a victim who trusts them. The only realistic way to actually prevent it is to not have sideloading as an option in the first place.

ixwt 3y ago

What harm is there to you if sideloading is enabled?

martimarkov 3y ago
Literally the new attack vector I described above. It’s one more thing to worry about.
- ixwt 3y ago
  I think your proposed attack vector would look more like this: Scammer: Madam, go into your settings and enable side loading. It will then connect to your bank account and I will… Madam: Okay uuuuh... A big popup came up... It says... That I should not enable this setting unless I really know what I'm doing... And if someone is telling me to enable it then I should hang up the phone!!
  - bloody-crow 3y ago
    This is a totally unrealistic scenario. Victims of scam trust the person on the phone much more than their own ability to figure out what's going on. Scammers successfully convince people to manually disable every protection and dismiss every warning the computer throws at them regularly. No amount of software red tape is going to prevent scammers from sideloading malware on a device of a victim who trusts them. The only realistic way to actually prevent it is to not have sideloading as an option in the first place.